charlyg
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Banning Myself from New Features Threads
I have decided to ban myself from threads about new features in the forums. I can't take the inevitable whining, moaning, crying and complaining about EVERY NEW FEATURE. I'll read about them in the e-zine.
I know, big deal.........but it's healthier...
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 12:51:36
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☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2016/03/05 16:37:35
its all good man, we are who we are. some are passionate about things and can control themselves while others are passionate and can NOT control themselves. I of course am not singling anyone out. I've had my share of complaints here in the past but I have been very happy for the majority of the last few years. I look back on some of my rants and I feel embarrassed. I wish I never said anything. but we all make mistakes, and hopefully we learn from them. (like me with my spelling + grammar)  this place would be boring if there weren't a couple concerned users rocking the boat once in a while. as producers, musicians, we are a passionate bunch.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 14:55:30
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2016/03/05 19:00:03
I've been pondering this a bit, and I think I might do the same. Or at least, not bother arguing the positive case for a thing so much. This doesn't apply to everyone, nor to every issue raised, but there are some people who seem incapable of imaging anything other than the worst possible version of everything, based on the worst possible intentions, and who are certain, that this time, the sky really is falling and Sonar is about to become one of these: 
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 15:16:32
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more worries is will be or one of those... 
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 15:17:42
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What??!!??!!??!!??
The sky is falling?
I knew it.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 15:25:11
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This thread should go to the coffee house, because it is going to quickly get out of hand.  First of all, everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether it is good or bad. I happen to disagree with the attitudes of those that can't tolerate negative comments. When I say "negative comments" I am not referring to disrespectful name calling or demeaning comments toward another individual. I suppose that my attitude makes me intolerant of those that are intolerant of negativity. See what I did there?  If it were not for "whiners" and those expressing negative opinions, then nothing would ever be improved. For example: [EDIT: Removed first 4 items in the interests of political neutrality. ] 5. On a much smaller basis, Sonar would not have real-time Synth recording and AUX tracks if a number of passionate users had not continuously and passionately "whined" on this forum with negative comments about Sonar lacking this feature. I take a tolerant view of negativity and frequently learn from it. Often a user will post on the forum about something that I have not experienced. This prompts me to try and reproduce the issue. If I can determine that the user is using the software incorrectly, then I post a response on how to solve or workaround the problem. If I can reproduce the issue, I report back to the user that their experience is reproducible and should create a Problem Report. Often, I will create my own Problem Report. Bottom line is that being intolerant of other peoples views and even their approach to expressing those views is just as bad as the person expressing their negative view. -- Ron
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 15:32:29
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I empathize totally... what you speak of seems rampant in our society these days...it is all over the place. Just the other day I found myself getting extremely angry at the blathering negativity spewing about the new analytics thread. An announcement turned into a pissing contest with no real substance... Responding to ignorant, disrespectful self righteous flaming is very hard to resist.
I often click on many threads out of curiosity and a desire to learn. I try to avoid geting all wrapped up in a total whirlwind of garbage being spewed by those operating from a dual sense of "entitlement" and ignorance... it is sad. It is hard to ignore. Most importantly, it really disrupts my desire to learn and understand. I deal with this on the meta level all the time on climate, science, tech and geopolitical issues...people have gone totally insane and bring a bit of that here...
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 15:56:35
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SquireBum
If it were not for "whiners" and those expressing negative opinions, then nothing would ever be improved. For example:
1. The United States would not exist if the "whiners" in the colonies had not revolted and demanded independence from Britain.
2. Slavery would still exist in the U.S. if abolitionist "whiners" had not spoken up and gained the moral high ground.
3. Apartheid would still exist in South Africa if the majority of the western world did not "whine" about the social injustice.
4. Women would not have the right to vote in many countries if the suffragettes had not "whined" and marched for their rights.
5. On a much smaller basis, Sonar would not have real-time Synth recording and AUX tracks if a number of passionate users had not continuously and passionately "whined" on this forum with negative comments about Sonar lacking this feature.
May be I am in minority, but I have no problem if first 4 are not there After (1) they have made the half of the world own colony, partially applying (2).About (3)... I know several people which has visited SA after that has happened...(4). I am not a women and I have no right to vote in the country I am in(5). I have participated in that discussion. So I think this (and only this) make sense ;)
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 16:11:28
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Vastman
I empathize totally... what you speak of seems rampant in our society these days...it is all over the place. Just the other day I found myself getting extremely angry at the blathering negativity spewing about the new analytics thread. An announcement turned into a pissing contest with no real substance... Responding to ignorant, disrespectful self righteous flaming is very hard to resist.
I often click on many threads out of curiosity and a desire to learn. I try to avoid geting all wrapped up in a total whirlwind of garbage being spewed by those operating from a dual sense of "entitlement" and ignorance... it is sad. It is hard to ignore. Most importantly, it really disrupts my desire to learn and understand. I deal with this on the meta level all the time on climate, science, tech and geopolitical issues...people have gone totally insane and bring a bit of that here...
You need to get a sense of perspective. You are constantly on the attack and really one of the ONLY posters who consistently lends credence to the myth this forum is filled with rabid fanbois who will insult and attack anyone who doesn't blindly praise Cakewalk. Even all the times you were "backing me up" I thought you were over the top. Then I point out some things that have been bugging me and all of a sudden I'm fodder for your hate. Chill out and STOP INSULTING PEOPLE!!!
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 17:22:25
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/03/05 21:18:12
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 17:34:07
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SquireBum
If it were not for "whiners" and those expressing negative opinions, then nothing would ever be improved. For example:
1. The United States would not exist if the "whiners" in the colonies had not revolted and demanded independence from Britain.
2. Slavery would still exist in the U.S. if abolitionist "whiners" had not spoken up and gained the moral high ground.
3. Apartheid would still exist in South Africa if the majority of the western world did not "whine" about the social injustice.
4. Women would not have the right to vote in many countries if the suffragettes had not "whined" and marched for their rights.
5. On a much smaller basis, Sonar would not have real-time Synth recording and AUX tracks if a number of passionate users had not continuously and passionately "whined" on this forum with negative comments about Sonar lacking this feature.
May be I am in minority, but I have no problem if first 4 are not there
After (1) they have made the half of the world own colony, partially applying (2).
About (3)... I know several people which has visited SA after that has happened...
(4). I am not a women and I have no right to vote in the country I am in
(5). I have participated in that discussion. So I think this (and only this) make sense ;)
Azlow, I will be glad to remove them in the interests of political neutrality.  -- Ron
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 20:24:16
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SquireBum
Azlow, I will be glad to remove them in the interests of political neutrality.
I agree, lets return to LANDR and Analytics
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 20:33:40
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/03/05 21:34:46
chuckebaby
its all good man, we are who we are. some are passionate about things and can control themselves while others are passionate and can NOT control themselves. I of course am not singling anyone out.
I've had my share of complaints here in the past but I have been very happy for the majority of the last few years.
I look back on some of my rants and I feel embarrassed. I wish I never said anything.
but we all make mistakes, and hopefully we learn from them. (like me with my spelling + grammar)
this place would be boring if there weren't a couple concerned users rocking the boat once in a while.
as producers, musicians, we are a passionate bunch.
+1 That's a great response Charlie.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 20:52:40
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2016/03/05 21:46:16
John T
This doesn't apply to everyone, nor to every issue raised, but there are some people who seem incapable of imaging anything other than the worst possible version of everything, based on the worst possible intentions, and who are certain, that this time, the sky really is falling and Sonar is about to become one of these:
This is true - but equally as annoying are those that even if Sonars sky was falling, they would be mindlessly attacking those reporting it, claiming they should stop whinging about the lack of sky, all the while sycophantically complimenting the emperors fine new clothes.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 21:18:33
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Maybe people could just express their opinion (which was solicited in all cases) and that would be it.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 22:13:36
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Paul P
Maybe people could just express their opinion (which was solicited in all cases) and that would be it.
+1
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 22:19:46
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...and in an ideal world, express informed opinions. Y'know, based on facts 'n' stuff.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 22:36:08
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Except that the "facts" in this instance relate to Cake's INTENTIONS only, (as analytics has yet to be made available). Views expressed with respect to potential risks of the feature (potentially skewing use metrics, consuming resources) are therefore equally as valid as those which express the opinions that analytics can only be a good thing.
They're only opinions, right?
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 23:06:02
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/03/05 23:23:45
Brando
Except that the "facts" in this instance relate to Cake's INTENTIONS only, (as analytics has yet to be made available). Views expressed with respect to potential risks of the feature (potentially skewing use metrics, consuming resources) are therefore equally as valid as those which express the opinions that analytics can only be a good thing.
They're only opinions, right?
Absolutely correct. I don't recall anyone saying "yes, the analytics are great!" or "hey, the analytics are skewed!" because they don't exist yet. So at this point any opinions have to speculative in nature. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about saying something like LANDR is a dynamic EQ and multiband compressor hosted in Reaper. That may be an opinion but can't be a fact if, as can be determined by a experiment, LANDR changes how it processes based on the program material received as input. If someone can indeed put a dynamic EQ and multiband compressor in Reaper and get the same results, then that opinion would be a fact. Or like when I said SONAR Artist was in the top 10 selling software titles in December based on an industry sales tracking report, and someone said because I said it was in the top 10, therefore it couldn't have been very high up in that top 10 or I would have said "it was number 4" or whatever. But the fact is that those reports cost a lot of money, are copyrighted, and highly proprietary. I've wanted to quote specifics from them before in articles, and was always turned down. Fair enough. But they did say I could present general information that couldn't be tracked back to specific sales or a competitive situation. This company does Top 10 lists. I felt saying SONAR was in the top 10 would be sufficiently general that I wouldn't violate our agreement, especially because I didn't mention any other companies (e.g., there was no competitive situation mentioned, like "SONAR outsold 'X'"). But to be any more specific would violate an agreement regarding proprietary intellectual property. I would prefer if instead of making assumptions that require being refuted if this forum is to contain accurate information, people would ask questions so others would have the opportunity to clarify if there was any point of confusion...come to think of it, like you just did, Brando . Hopefully others will follow your example.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/05 23:13:19
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☄ Helpfulby charlyg 2016/03/06 16:50:52
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more worries is will be or one of those...
Whats wrong with that? It has that warm analog sound.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/03/06 17:05:31
This thread seems to be doing what I intended. I wondered if others were thinking the same thing. I am learning which threads to not even bother opening....My standard way I deal with CW is, I take them at their word, and if something doesn't work for me, my first response is it must be something I did or didn't do. Kinda like saying this car has no reverse, when actually, one didn't know how to shift a manual transmission.............no it's not a perfect analogy....but I don't get paid for this!
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/06 23:19:56
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azslow3
more worries is will be or one of those...
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Whats wrong with that? It has that warm analog sound.
No speakers. It's pretty feature rich and looks cool though.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/06 23:41:08
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John T
the sky really is falling and Sonar is about to become one of these:
I owned one of these. It did the job and never broke down. It didn't need speakers either.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/07 04:48:50
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FanCake
azslow3
more worries is will be or one of those...
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Whats wrong with that? It has that warm analog sound.
No speakers. It's pretty feature rich and looks cool though.
An amplifier and speakers you can add, no problem (in Sonar relations, these are plug-ins and export functions). It ls polished, looks cool, it probably sounds good and has components which can work forevers. But.. my point was simple. It is still a RECORD PLAYER. It had quite some advantages over magnetic carrier, but it can not compete against modern digital formats. The physical limitations of the format, not a problem in particular implementation.
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/07 07:34:47
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Hey! What is this turd from upstairs doing down here in the Coffee House? Who forgot to flush??? 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/07 09:57:14
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charlyg
Please delete thread...
Ain't goan happun
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/07 10:03:07
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2016/03/07 10:54:19
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Hey! What is this turd from upstairs doing down here in the Coffee House? Who forgot to flush???
Somebody DID flush. How do you think it got here?
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
2016/03/07 10:03:30
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charlyg
Please delete thread...
BWAHAHAHAHAhahahaha!
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Re: Banning Myself from New Features Threads
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