FastBikerBoy
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Bargains for the info hungary
I've just bought a couple of these. I'm a bit of a sponge for learning resources so can't help myself, especially at the crazy prices offered here.  Groove 3 bargains
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Re:Bargains for the info hungary
2011/10/08 12:58:04
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FBB, can you speak to the quality of the content? I've watched a lot of how-to videos and have been almost universally disappointed by their lack of depth.
Maybe it's an inherent limitation of the format; you just can't pack the same quantity of information into a video as you can into a textbook. Or maybe it's a conscious decision of the producers to target the broadest audience possible, which is beginners. Maybe it's just too much work to dive in deeper. Whatever the reason, I've never been able to get much out of videos.
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Re:Bargains for the info hungary
2011/10/08 16:31:37
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I totally agree with FBB and not only that but Groove 3 products are excellent in terms of quality and presentation. I had a student who came to me and wanted to learn FL Studio. I bought the program (to which I have become very impressed by) but I also needed a quick crash course in it as well and I bought the two training programs on it from Groove 3 and they were excellent. One thing though the best way for me to use them is to run these things on a separate laptop and have it set up right next to your main computer and have both machines feeding your monitor system. It makes it a lot easier and much better too. You need to be able to start and pause etc while you do the things they are talking about on your main computer. I am so impressed with Groove 3 that I am going to buy the two programs on Studio One even though I am pretty expert on it now I still feel there will be a lot to be gained. Thanks FBB for reminding me about them.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:Bargains for the info hungary
2011/10/08 16:35:56
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Hi bitflipper I haven't got too far into either of them yet but I think it's fair to say they are aimed mainly at the novice. Having said that I've picked up a couple of tips on miking drum kits up which is something I am a novice at. I just figured at the price they are on offer for the worst that could happen is I'd have wasted a tenner.  I always seem to learn something new from pretty much anything even if it is aimed at the novice. I'd class myself as an intermediate or perhaps advanced novice when it comes to a lot of studio techniques and I'm finding the studio one interesting if nothing else. I guess anyone who does a lot of studio work with bands is not going to learn much. That's something I'm slowly getting in to, previously I've only worked on my own stuff although I have been in 'proper' studios but as a musician in a band not engineering/producing. I haven't got much from the effects explained yet but for any novice it will definitely be a good buy. From what I've seen so far it is very well explained and of course there's the audio to actually hear what is happening as the dials are being turned. Hope that helps, a little anyway.
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Re:Bargains for the info hungary
2011/10/08 18:08:54
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I am a relative(?) novice and I find these to be a great introduction to the recording arts...
But I do wonder whether there are better ones out there...
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Re:Bargains for the info hungary
2011/10/09 13:37:08
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Well, everyone's a novice at something. For example, I have little experience miking acoustical instruments other than guitar. I'd be starting at square one if I had to mic up a cello, bassoon, or a trombone. I'd be willing to check out a video that covered that kind of stuff. But I'm generally skeptical.
A few years ago I stopped by a booth at NAMM where they were selling training videos. They had one for my Yamaha MO8, and the enthusiastic salesman practically forced it into my hands, offering it for a mere 10 bucks - show special, you know. I figured what the heck, maybe it would finally let me make some sense out of the MO8's labyrinthine menus. It didn't. In fact, I was more confused after watching the video! The producers clearly had no better understanding than me - worse, I think, as it did not appear that they had actually ever used the instrument.
I don't think I've bought any training videos since.
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Re:Bargains for the info hungary
2011/10/10 04:07:26
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These are definitely better than that by the sounds of it. I bought the Plugin Explained and Studio secrets. The plugin explained is definitely well explained and although I haven't actually learnt much from it, it has certainly cleared up a few points of doubt. It covers EQ, Compression, Reverb, & Delay. Not because there's not a lot to learn in the video but I already know most of the stuff on here, but because it is targeted more at the novice. For anyone who wants a real good explanation of what controls do what and how to get the best out of those plugins they could do a lot worse than get this. Explained in simple terms with examples as the explanation is done. ALthough it uses mainly Oxford and Albeton plugins it's all relative to just about any equivalent. The studio one I have learnt a bit more from. Kris Sharma shows you how to do the various sections in a good studio using top notch gear, and then does exactly the same in a project studio where he's more realistic with the setup and gear. "Let's look at some of the new, less expensive gear that's become available for project studios to get a killer drum sound" is one quote and he goes on to do just that, but using cheaper mics and plugins instead of all the expensive stuff & outboard gear in the 'proper' studio. Interesting stuff. IMHO of course.....
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Re:Bargains for the info hungary
2011/10/10 21:40:47
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bitflipper
FBB, can you speak to the quality of the content? I've watched a lot of how-to videos and have been almost universally disappointed by their lack of depth.
Maybe it's an inherent limitation of the format; you just can't pack the same quantity of information into a video as you can into a textbook. Or maybe it's a conscious decision of the producers to target the broadest audience possible, which is beginners. Maybe it's just too much work to dive in deeper. Whatever the reason, I've never been able to get much out of videos.
I signed up for the all you can eat version. So far, I've watched most of the "mixing rock" and learned a ton about approaching a drum mix. The only criticism I have is that the tracks are recorded too well, so there werent really any problem tracks. I would have liked to send in my crappy room drum recordings and see how he deals with that  From your mixes, Bit, I don't think that you would gain a lot from the mix series. I also listened to the effects lesson. again, good for beginners. on that one, though, the narrator was much louder than the mix. Seems to me, the effects are what you would want hear well. Ken
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