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2013/07/18 04:06:06 (permalink)

Bass Amp - What do you guys think about...

This one - http://www.zzounds.com/item--AMPBA112
 
I might have an opportunity to jump on one of these, used.
Back in the days, I trusted brand names, so the fact that it's an Ampeg comes into play.
But I know next to nothing about bass amp - besides a few names: Hartke, Trace Elliott and Ampeg. 
And Acoustic too I think. W/ the pale blue thingie...
But nowadays, brands mean little if anything...
 
As I said before, we're only looking for a little practice amp for my wife who's starting out on bass.
Budget amps seem to come w/ 8" speaker mostly - but this one is a 12".
If I need to record bass, I will do it DI or buy a Bass POD - or ask one of our friends who has one of those dream rigs...
post edited by Rain - 2013/07/18 04:09:58

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    spacey
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 07:50:37 (permalink)
    Since I have the Marshall micro stack with 2-10" I favor this one.
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 08:00:59 (permalink)
    Looks really nice, but, you mean for a beginner? I was thinking, humble cube, you know...

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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 08:09:13 (permalink)
    There are 2 kinds of bass amps.
     
    1) The kind you play with a drummer.
     
    2) The other kind.
     
     
    My favorite little Bass practice amp was hand made in Canada:
     
     
     

     
     
    This one's not mine...  but it's the same model and era as the one I have here.
     
    There's something comforting about playing a practice amp that is 45 years old yet still sounds fresh and ready to go.
     
     
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    post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/07/18 08:17:41


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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 10:45:58 (permalink)
    mike_mccue
    There are 2 kinds of bass amps.
     
    1) The kind you play with a drummer.
     
    2) The other kind.
     

     
    This ^


    Those big dream rigs are often optimized for pumping out desirable tone at high volume - which is a difficult feat with a bass, and one that doesn't necessarily translate to "good recorded tone".
     
    For low volume playing I sometimes just use a guitar amp - you just need to keep the volume low enough to avoid making the speakers do things they don't want to do (!), and also set the pre gain low enough to avoid ugly distortion on those formidable transients bass players invoke. The main differences between modern guitar and bass amps is lots of clean headroom, different speakers/cabs, no reverb and different EQ.
     
    If you're looking for a good practice/recording amp, you sort of have to try them to find something that sounds the way you want. Some people want dark and wooly and others want maximum punch, some want clean and others want a little hair, some want all boom and others want some twang. They do try, but it's hard to get all of the options above from a single amp.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 10:59:07 (permalink)
    WWBD?
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 11:11:15 (permalink)
    mike_mccue
    There are 2 kinds of bass amps.
     
    1) The kind you play with a drummer.
     
    2) The other kind.


    Here's a picture of the two kinds.
     
    HTH.
     


     
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 11:52:56 (permalink)
    Rain
    Looks really nice, but, you mean for a beginner? I was thinking, humble cube, you know...




    Well, yes. They don't get much smaller do they? Did you read the dimensions?
    And a strong point for a beginner IMO is to have nice enough equipment to keep them
    interested. Anyway that's some of my reasoning for the suggestion. YMMV.
    (she didn't get a used bass did she?)
     
    What else new compares for that cost? I admit I'm not up on bass equipment and the
    mini stack is a strong feature for me as I mentioned.
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 11:59:34 (permalink)
    I'm currently using the head version of this amp.  It's working great for me at church.  I read good reviews about this combo.
     
    http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCEBG250

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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 14:01:47 (permalink)
    spacey
    Since I have the Marshall micro stack with 2-10" I favor this one.



    Damn that is cool!

     
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 14:21:02 (permalink)
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    spacey
    Since I have the Marshall micro stack with 2-10" I favor this one.



    Damn that is cool!




    LOL....If that Ampeg is anything close to the Marshall it'll blow you away.
    As cute as the Marshall is, it is not a toy.
     
    I almost ordered the Ampeg a few weeks ago. I may yet ...then a micro drum kit? LOL
     
     
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 14:37:01 (permalink)
     I have always thought  Ampeg was the old school go to amp for average gigs. Lots of others though. I don't see how you would necessarily go wrong with that amp Rain. When recording bass The drier the better if you are intending to play with it in the mix JMHO. Playing for practice small gigs, meh...almost any small cube will do IMO.
     
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 14:49:04 (permalink)
    Rain there is always these guys....you can cut out the middle man and dress it in a color she likes too.
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 14:54:37 (permalink)
     
    A SVT turned up to 0.125 playing into an Altec 400 series speaker is a thing of beauty.
     
    It is like the Teddy Roosevelt of bass tone.


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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 15:18:23 (permalink)
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    Rain there is always these guys....you can cut out the middle man and dress it in a color she likes too.



    Seems nice - too bad he didn't demo the two smaller speaker configurations though.  That always makes you susp!cious whether they bring it or not - lol!

     
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 15:48:32 (permalink)
    I had a Traynor back @'68 with 4-12".  I was 13+ and anything big was good to me. It looked like a Fender and a gift from my folks so I was good to go. Can't remember when but replaced it pretty quick with an Acoustic 150..2 cabs with 6-10s in ea. IIRC. I really don't remember what was in them.
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 17:16:27 (permalink)
    I did play a Traynor which belonged to the high school I went to - because I didn't have an amp and could only afford to rent one for a few days a couple of times a year.
     
    Come to think of it, the bass player in my band also used to borrow the bass amp from school - can't remember which brand but it wasn't too good.
     
    Maybe things changed but back then, Traynor didn't have a very good rep. The one thing I remember about the one I used was that it was indestructible.

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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 17:31:38 (permalink)
    The newer Ampeg stuff is a pretty good buy. They actually sell parts for them and I think Loud technologies is now the parent co.
     
    The little bass mate combos that Mike showed are really great for home use. They're killer little guitar amps too, and of course all tube. At my place I use an old Fender bandmaster @ 30 watts with a single 15. Works great for jams and recording.
     
    Buying used will get you the very best deal. I'd imagine Vegas has lots of outlets for used music gear. Pawn shops, alleys and casinos parking lots come to mind.

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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 17:45:46 (permalink)
    The only issue w/ shopping in Vegas is that everything is as far from everything else as possible. You can't just go "downtown", park the car and just walk to the stores you want to see. Everything is as decentralized as it gets. So doing the pawn shop circuit or even just a few of them takes quite a bit of time, and w/ my wife doing 10 very demanding shows a week, we don't get many opportunities to shop around.
     

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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 18:18:23 (permalink)
     
    Cowtown of Las Vegas is a well known vintage guitar dealer: 
     
    http://www.gbase.com/gear/fender-musicmaster-bass-1970-silver-face
     

     
     


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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 18:25:05 (permalink)
    Rain
    I did play a Traynor which belonged to the high school I went to - because I didn't have an amp and could only afford to rent one for a few days a couple of times a year.
     
    Come to think of it, the bass player in my band also used to borrow the bass amp from school - can't remember which brand but it wasn't too good.
     
    Maybe things changed but back then, Traynor didn't have a very good rep. The one thing I remember about the one I used was that it was indestructible.



    The band I was in loaded up and went to a recording studio in Albq. NM ....after the first take attempt they rolled that Traynor out of the studio. LOL.
    I don't remember it breaking down but nobody thought it sounded worth anything....it was my first amp...and it was bigger than me :)
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 18:45:36 (permalink)
    Spacey,

    I played around with one of those small Ampeg heads and speaker cabinets one day while visiting a GC a while back. It sounded great. So good, I seriously thought about walking out of there with it and selling my current 60w Bassman. At first I thought I had just found a really good sounding and playing P Bass. I started picking other guitars off the wall and every bass I plugged into it sounded great.

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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/18 21:02:32 (permalink)
    I wish there was a place close by that I could go check gear Mike.
    I'd probably leave with that micro Ampeg. I should get it before they
    stop offering it. That happens with the micros. I think they've stopped the
    Marshall now.
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/19 00:20:05 (permalink)
    spacey
    I wish there was a place close by that I could go check gear Mike.
    I'd probably leave with that micro Ampeg. I should get it before they
    stop offering it. That happens with the micros. I think they've stopped the
    Marshall now.




    As far as I know, Marshall now only offer solid state micro. 
    I saw an older used one (pre MG series) for $199 at GC yesterday.
    And there's the MG, obviously.

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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/19 07:20:28 (permalink)
    Now that you know I won't be trying to talk you out of a bass amp...
     
    IF I wanted the "power" and loudness of an amp and my DAW couldn't
    handle it OR there was a need for an amp because another was involved and a single DAW
    couldn't cover both needs I would;
     
    Get a power amp and a full range speaker cab(s)- (probably stereo set-up) and use my DAW.
    My reasons are the versatility of software.
    If you take my Guitar Rig 5 thread into consideration you'll understand that with something
    I already have there is no way I could or would purchase all the equipment to do what it already does.
     
    I good power amp and two good full range cabinets for use other than mixing sure adds a lot
    of flexibility to the DAW. ( and may save a lot of money not buying equipment that is really specific for a single function)
     
    Of course one needs an interface with multiple outs.
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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/19 07:54:54 (permalink)
    A lot of nice bass rigs are based on a specialty pre amp running in to a general purpose power amp.
     
    A LA-610 preamp strip running into a crown Macro Tech will get the job done if you have some speakers that make bass sound good.
     
    I had some Klipsch La Scalas that I used to play with a small Peavey P.A. Head and a P-Bass.
     
    The La Scalas made my P Bass sound like butter. A really unique tonality that seemed so smooth and sweet down in the lowest registers.
     
     
    The older Ampegs had a mid range circuit that was based upon an wound inductor. It had the most delicious mid range and low mids tonality I have ever heard for bass. It let each player find their voice.
     
    In my mind, that is what set AMPEG apart from all the other bass amps.
     
    IIRC, Some of the new AMPEG stuff has that feature... it's worth seeking out.
     


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    Re: Bass Amp - What do you guys think about... 2013/07/19 16:00:02 (permalink)
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    Now that you know I won't be trying to talk you out of a bass amp...
     
    IF I wanted the "power" and loudness of an amp and my DAW couldn't
    handle it OR there was a need for an amp because another was involved and a single DAW
    couldn't cover both needs I would;
     
    Get a power amp and a full range speaker cab(s)- (probably stereo set-up) and use my DAW.
    My reasons are the versatility of software.
    If you take my Guitar Rig 5 thread into consideration you'll understand that with something
    I already have there is no way I could or would purchase all the equipment to do what it already does.
     
    I good power amp and two good full range cabinets for use other than mixing sure adds a lot
    of flexibility to the DAW. ( and may save a lot of money not buying equipment that is really specific for a single function)
     
    Of course one needs an interface with multiple outs.




    Well, if just for me, I wouldn't bother w/ an amp. I don't play "live", only in the studio. I own Amplitube SVX which does a darn fine job. I also own Guitar Rig, Pod Farm and Waves GTR, but I favor SVX for whichever reason. Logic X also includes Bass Amp Designer, which I assume will potentially be as good as anything out there.
     
    But my wife is learning the instrument, and she likes to work in her own office or in the bedroom. I could always hook my old audio interface to her laptop and get a software amp for her, but that's really not what she wants and I can understand that. I've relied on computers and devices such as Line 6 POD for years to act as amps, but when I want to focus on my playing, nothing beats an actual amp, even the most basic solid state amp.

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