Battery mono outs not showing in X2

I'm trying to set up a Battery kit with multiple outputs in X2. First time I've done this in Sonar and I've run up against a problem. 
By default, Battery has 16 stereo outputs set up, and these all show as inputs in Sonar. 
However, if I add mono outputs to Battery in the options, they don't register in Sonar. I've tried restarting Sonar to see if that's what it would take to register them - no cigar. 

Does anyone know what I have to do to get extra user defined Battery outputs to show up in Sonar? One thing that I have considered is that it's a bug and Sonar sees the outputs but does not display them in the list. On my screen, the list of Battery outputs stretches all the way down to the bottom. Could it be that when the list of outputs exceeds the screen height, Sonar is not activating a scroll bar? I already had this problem with drum maps on my smaller monitor, when it would literally cut off the end of the list where the scroll arrow is. 

Sharke, your post only highlights to me how much I don't know about Battery, and I've owned and used it for over five years lol.

In the past I've let all of the cells to be output to the master channel. Pure ignorance on my part I'm afraid.

But I'm having a look now and I can see that you can output to either stereo or mono outs. Is there any particular reason why you need to use mono outs, as opposed to just using stereo outs?

Or perhaps all the cells should just be output to mono outs and then panned from its X2 track?

Forgive my ramblings, I should really spend more time learning about my synth...

To be honest, there is no reason why I needed to use mono outs, I was just basically experimenting to come to a fuller understanding of Battery. And indeed getting the mono outputs to show in Sonar just brought with it new problems. For instance, if you have say Mono outputs 6, 7, 8 and 9 in Battery, what you see in Sonar's input list will be Mono 6: Left (mono), Mono 6 Right (mono) and Mono 6 (stereo) and so on through 7, 8 and 9. Not really sure what's going on there! 

Think I'll just stick to the default stereo outputs 

S'funny that Sharke, because on my setup I am able to scroll my list of inputs. But even so, once a number of inputs are exceeded they do not show on the scroll list. Weird...

Yeah, I with you on the flexibility thing, and it was only when I experimented with SD3 and BFD Eco that I reallised you could do this with a drum synth. The fact that I could also do that with Battery anyway kind of made me feel a bit dumb.

Hey ho. I know now :-)

This appears to be a limitation within Sonar - there were certainly at one point limitations in the number of outputs through some version of VST, but I saw on the web that at one point that was going to be changed to allow more.  

That change may have taken place already in the spec, and that would be suggested by Battery 3 allowing the internal creation of the extra 30 mono outputs.
I don't know that I would label that as a 'bug' in Sonar.  It is more like a rational design choice for purposes of having the drop-down list displayed.  Perhaps if you really wanted to have that many channels displayed as choices in Sonar you could submit it as a feature request?

Bob Bone

Hi all, 

 The reason I use Battery mono outputs, is so that I can apply processing 'per track' inside Sonar of each cell. 

Battery has it's own effects, which is nice, but say you want to use the pro channel 'soft tube' on one cell, lets say, the snare. A mono output from Battery into it's own track in Sonar is the only way to do it with one instance of battery. 


 I haven't actually used Battery 3 with Sonar X2 as yet, so that is a bummer to hear. What with that and many random crashes I am getting, it's a bit sad.

It's not Sonar.

BFD uses a similar system to Battery and if/when I choose "All Synth Outputs Mono" I get exactly that - all 32 mono outputs that are exposed by BFD. Likewise for the Stereo Pairs