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2012/09/29 19:33:49 (permalink)

Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement

Mammoth sequencing project here.  An estimated 73,000 notes in this one.  I used EWQLSO Platinum Plus for instruments. 
 
Please let me know what you think!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqEmWNvSs4&feature=plcp
 
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/29 19:49:11 (permalink)
    JERRY!!!


    This is fantastic!!! Great job at sequencing this. Best cover song on here EVER!!

    Amazing!!! 

    The East West Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra Platinum kicks ass...wow!! Makes me want to go out and purchase it!


    Can't say enough about how good this is! Real sounds ...dynamics are great .....and by Bethoveen the master.....




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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/29 19:50:26 (permalink)
    It takes more than a good set of samples to create something of this magnitude.  Your knowledge of the orchestra is what makes this sound so good.  I applaud your efforts and would like to know how you inputted the notes.

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/29 19:51:01 (permalink)



    Ps...did you play the score into sonar or use finale enter the score same to midi then mix in sonar ....tell us the process of entering the notes ....


    Great Job Jerry ....you complete me!!!!

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/29 21:07:27 (permalink)
    That was quite a job either way. More so if Jerry played each peice from sheet music. 

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/29 21:16:18 (permalink)
    Wow!
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/29 23:30:38 (permalink)
    So it was not a Beethoven himself ? oh, they didn't have a sonar back then, forgot.
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/30 00:20:39 (permalink)
    Stunning.  

    Should auld acquaintance be forgot--hey, who the hell are you guys?  
     
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/30 00:37:58 (permalink)
    Wonderful!! I heard 3/4 of No. 5 this morning (actual orchestra), This is amazing work. I second on having the knowledge of orchestration. Was this piece just something out the blue or do you have others like it? (Not necessarily covers only)

    Great job. (And the analyst in me could help, but do so!)

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/30 17:18:41 (permalink)
    Dang!  Thanks for all of the replies. 

    Here's a stab at answering your questions.

    I obtained the full score of the 9th Symphony and started working with my favorite, the 2nd Movement.  I used the Staff view in Sonar to input all of the notes.  With EWQLSO, there are different instruments for different articulations, so I had more than the 12 types of instruments (violin, viola, cello, contrabass, flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon, french horn, trumpet, trombone, and timpani) to input.  For example, for first violin, I needed sustained vibrato, which is a harder attack articulation, and sometimes needed a legato articulation within the same measure, or a staccatto, and there are also pizzacatto parts as well.  As you can imagine, this took quite a long time to complete (about 4 months start to finish), the input taking the lion's share of time.  It was a definitely a learning experience for me.  I played trumpet in junior high school, and can read music, but I have no experience or formal education in orchestral music.  I was able to read up on it, which was a big help.  MIDI doesn't care which instrument is playing, it will play what you input using the instrument you configure.  But the instruments in an orchestra are sometimes in different keys.  I had to figure out and transpose the MIDI notes for what was written for Horn in the key of D and Horn in the key of F.  Also, I had no idea contrabass was written an octave higher than it is played.  And there is math involved with figuring out how to input some of the tripletted 16th or 32nd notes and such, but I love problem solving and puzzles, so it was all good to me.

    After I got all of the notes input and the articulations the way I wanted them, I used Piano view to work on the dynamics by setting the velocities of the notes.  Then I used volume control on the clips to add further dynamics.

    And you know the rest - mixing and "mastering" (quotes due to the fact that I have no idea how to really do mastering!), bouncing and rendering.

    The 4th Movement is known as Ode to Joy, but I must say that this was a pure joy to do all the way through.  It is so gratifying to put so much effort into something and have it come out so beautiful.

    I have completed the 1st Movement and am in the process of putting together a story line in photos for a YouTube video of that one.

    I have composed several original pieces that I will post here at some point.

    Hope this answers your questions and thanks again for the feedback.  I welcome any other questions or comments.

    Thanks,
    Jerry

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/30 18:02:32 (permalink)
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    Mammoth sequencing project here.  An estimated 73,000 notes in this one.  I used EWQLSO Platinum Plus for instruments. 
     
    Please let me know what you think!
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqEmWNvSs4&feature=plcp
     
    Thanks,
    Jerry

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/09/30 20:06:12 (permalink)
    JDavis1954


    Dang!  Thanks for all of the replies. 

    Here's a stab at answering your questions.

    I obtained the full score of the 9th Symphony and started working with my favorite, the 2nd Movement.  I used the Staff view in Sonar to input all of the notes.  With EWQLSO, there are different instruments for different articulations, so I had more than the 12 types of instruments (violin, viola, cello, contrabass, flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon, french horn, trumpet, trombone, and timpani) to input.  For example, for first violin, I needed sustained vibrato, which is a harder attack articulation, and sometimes needed a legato articulation within the same measure, or a staccatto, and there are also pizzacatto parts as well.  As you can imagine, this took quite a long time to complete (about 4 months start to finish), the input taking the lion's share of time.  It was a definitely a learning experience for me.  I played trumpet in junior high school, and can read music, but I have no experience or formal education in orchestral music.  I was able to read up on it, which was a big help.  MIDI doesn't care which instrument is playing, it will play what you input using the instrument you configure.  But the instruments in an orchestra are sometimes in different keys.  I had to figure out and transpose the MIDI notes for what was written for Horn in the key of D and Horn in the key of F.  Also, I had no idea contrabass was written an octave higher than it is played.  And there is math involved with figuring out how to input some of the tripletted 16th or 32nd notes and such, but I love problem solving and puzzles, so it was all good to me.

    After I got all of the notes input and the articulations the way I wanted them, I used Piano view to work on the dynamics by setting the velocities of the notes.  Then I used volume control on the clips to add further dynamics.

    And you know the rest - mixing and "mastering" (quotes due to the fact that I have no idea how to really do mastering!), bouncing and rendering.

    The 4th Movement is known as Ode to Joy, but I must say that this was a pure joy to do all the way through.  It is so gratifying to put so much effort into something and have it come out so beautiful.

    I have completed the 1st Movement and am in the process of putting together a story line in photos for a YouTube video of that one.

    I have composed several original pieces that I will post here at some point.

    Hope this answers your questions and thanks again for the feedback.  I welcome any other questions or comments.

    Thanks,
    Jerry
    Ah, yes, Movement 4!


    This does answer my questions. Excellent job all around! :)



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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/01 17:51:34 (permalink)
    Thanks Rus!
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/01 18:43:29 (permalink)
    Wow, Thanks for sharing!



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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/02 22:22:30 (permalink)
    What a huge job!  I'm incredibly impressed and glad you can enjoy it so much.  Looking forward to hearing more!  And welcome to the forum!  
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/02 22:54:42 (permalink)
    Thanks Janet!

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/02 23:20:37 (permalink)
    Fabulous!  What an incredible piece of work!  You have great control over this library.  I'm wondering how easy the articulations are to change?  Do they use keyswitching?  Does Sonar make it easy?

    The only slight crit is that I think you should put this orchestra in a bigger room with a big reverb sound.  I'm a sucker for the big room sound especially with an orchestra.
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/02 23:58:36 (permalink)
    Wow indeed!

    And no snobby musicians to pay. 

    (I must admit that I keep getting flashbacks to A Clockwork Orange though! )

     
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/03 00:16:43 (permalink)
    A lot of effort in a big project. Sounds good also.

     
     
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/03 07:44:18 (permalink)
    Very Nice 

    Thanks a Bunch for sharing

    Great to see work that inspires others to try things outside of their norm

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/03 08:19:13 (permalink)
    Four months.... wow.. I start to get bored and lose focus after 4 hours...

    Excellent job. I love EWQL.... 

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/03 09:33:08 (permalink)
    This is Fantastic Jerry!! If I heard this anywhere else, I would've never imagined this being sequenced and would've thought it was an actual archestra!! All the work you've put into this is greatly appreciated and please do continue to post more.

    Bravo!!!

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/04 17:08:04 (permalink)
    Thanks guitartrek! 
     
    Key switches are usable for some articulations they call round robin, which plays the next note a little differently to add a touch of realism, but most articulations are seperate instruments.  For example, in a single four beat measure with quarter notes, a violin might need a vibrato hard first note and that would be one instrument, but notes two through four need to flow without lifting the bow off of the strings; for that a legato articulation would be needed for the last three notes of that measure.  So, in Staff view, the first instrument (vibrato) would only show one quarter note and three rests, while the second instrument (legato) would show a rest then three quarter notes for that measure.  It takes a while to tweak the articulations to get the sound and vibe you are going for in the composition.  I watched a lot of video of live performances and actually got to see (and hear) the Houston Symphony play the 9th with a 150 voice choir as a Christmas present from my daughter a few years ago - in the best seats in the house no less.  It was unbelievably beautiful!  But my point is that I tried to learn as much as I could about how instruments are played in order to do the best job I could do in applying articulations.
     
    As to reverb, another nice aspect of EWQLSO Platinum Plus is that each note is recorded from three different mic positions; on stage, in front of the orchestra, and in the rear of the hall.  Reverb can be modified for each instrument and mic position.  I chose the closer mics for my vibe here because I wanted the audience to experience how it would sound on stage.
     
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/04 17:19:47 (permalink)
    wow - what a labour of love. Fantastic
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/04 17:56:45 (permalink)
    very nice :--)
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/04 18:13:01 (permalink)
    What a massive effort.  I can't even imagine.  Do you really feel like you understand Betthoven's compositional and orchestrational concepts more as a result of doing this?

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/05 18:41:16 (permalink)
    jsaras,
    I am certainly more familiar with Beethoven's work having gone through the first two movements of the 9th symphony in great detail, but there is so much genius in his work that although I do understand much more, there is a ton more to learn. 
     
    As a guitar player, I soaked up riffs that I would see and hear along the way because they sound so cool when played in just the right spot within a solo or song.  Beethoven's works are riddled with little "riffs" from each instrument he employs and they are woven throughout his compositions with precision.  One tactic I learned was his use of brass and percussion together, often using brass to accentuate the beat.
     
    I would consider myself familiar with, but far from understanding his techniques.  I have developed my own interpretations of the pieces, and my versions reflect them.  I have enjoyed hearing them played by a live symphony orchestra, but using digital media, I am able to sustain tempo and vigor through passages that are typically lumbered through by live orchestras.  I have to wonder if Beethoven "heard" the music he wrote in the lumbering fashion, or as it is in my versions where the clock does not allow non-configured tempo fluctuations.  I think the overall affect is more lively and emphatic!
     
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/05 19:17:44 (permalink)
    Awesome Job! -Shawn

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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/05 19:18:35 (permalink)
    This is an amazing effort! One of the better sequences versions of an orchestral piece i have ever heard. Thoroughly impressed.
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    Re:Beethoven's 9th Symphony 2nd Movement 2012/10/06 09:52:16 (permalink)
    Fantastic ! I wouldn't have a clue where to even start with something like this. If I had a hat, I would take it off to you !
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