Kerch
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Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
I know just enough about recording midi to be dangerous, but still have a ton to learn. Been perusing these forums after upgrading to X3 and trying to figure out how to properly set up and use Addictive Drums. Some great info I've already found that's helped tremendously, so thanks to those who've been responsible for that. One thing I'm having a bit of trouble with, being relatively new to the piano roll view when editing drums, is the large quantities of midi notes that appear on a track after I've recorded a part and layered it with multiple parts of the kit. It's sometimes difficult and confusing to navigate through all these notes, figure out which note is which, make changes, adjust values, etc. With Session Drummer 3, I'd previously used the Step Sequencer and avoided piano roll view, but I'm trying to expand my knowledge base here. Anyway, I noticed an aside in another post for a solved issue that seemed to suggest it was possible to separate the midi notes on a track into separate midi tracks per kit piece, so I would be able to isolate, for example, the kick notes on one track, the snare notes on another, etc., etc. Seems like this would be very helpful to me when trying to tweak/edit a drum track so I'd know exactly what notes I was dealing with, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this. Any help would really be appreciated, and if you do respond, please keep in mind that you'd be replying to someone very new to this, so have no worries about possibly telling me something "I may already know," because I probably don't. :) Thanks in advance.
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 10:58:19
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Process > Run CAL and run the "Split Note to Tracks.CAL" script
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 11:19:23
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The "normal" thing to do is routing the MIDI to separate audio tracks, and keep all the MIDI on one track. If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track. You will learn quite quickly which note is which kitpiece in Piano Roll.
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Kerch
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 11:34:17
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Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. Appreciate it. What you're saying there makes sense, Kalle. Could be I'm just overthinking all this and should just jump into it. For some context, I'd been working on a project with X2 using Session Drummer; after upgrading and checking out Addictive Drums, I now want to replace the SD drums (which I did using step sequencer) with the AD samples, which just sound better to me. I didn't realize that there were so many hit/placement variations within AD vs. SD, so my initial thought that I could just assign what I'd already done in SD to AD didn't work out so well. What was once coming through as toms in SD, for example, is now coming through as cymbals or something else entirely in AD. I realize I could theoretically convert what I've done in the step sequencer using SD to editable midi notes and then move the notes one by one to their proper assignments in AD, but I've decided to just try to redo a couple songs' drums entirely using piano roll view for a change. Been a bit daunting initially. In any case, thanks for the responses.
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 11:39:21
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Kalle Rantaaho The "normal" thing to do is routing the MIDI to separate audio tracks, and keep all the MIDI on one track. If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track. You will learn quite quickly which note is which kitpiece in Piano Roll.
I agree! You can also map your keys to show/define each kit piece. Walt
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 11:44:03
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Using a drum map might help
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Kerch
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 11:48:15
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Thanks, yeah, see, that gets back to the whole "beginner at this" thing. Didn't even realize what a drum map was until recently; Session Drummer I see now just used the one that was already built into the program, and I assumed any new software would do the same thing. I do have one now for AD, though, so that is a big help.
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 11:52:06
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 12:00:43
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Kalle Rantaaho If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track.
I still often put different pieces or groups of pieces on different tracks as I record them. It's easy enough to show some or all tracks in the PRV together, and then different multi-piece parts (e.g. Hats or Toms) have their own color, making it easier to see what's what. Another reaon I do it is to easily be able to balance the aggressiveness of different pieces/parts by tweaking velocity offset on the track, rather than having to destructively edit and re-edit velocities of individual note numbers in a one-track PRV. Using separate tracks also lets you easily redirect a part to a different synth and/or try different articulations by changing the note offset (transpose) instead of mucking around with Drum Maps or dragging parts around in the PRV. For these and other reasons, I think there's a good argument to be made for breaking parts out to their own tracks as needed, though not for putting every piece on its own track (I would never separate hi hat articulations, for example).
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 12:09:03
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Kalle Rantaaho The "normal" thing to do is routing the MIDI to separate audio tracks, and keep all the MIDI on one track. If you have kitpieces on separate MIDI tracks editing, say, drum breaks becomes a nightmare, when every hit is on a different track. You will learn quite quickly which note is which kitpiece in Piano Roll.
Not sure if there really is a "normal" thing to do here...I've spoken to many people who split the kit onto separate MIDI tracks, and I do it myself sometimes. The reason being that it's sometimes a lot more convenient to work like this when you're arranging drum parts. For instance, after laying down the kick and snare, you might have 3 or 4 different hat patterns that you want to experiment with. It's way easier to have those hat patterns in their own separate clips that you can audition with the rest of the drums. When all of the kit is in one MIDI track, you find yourself deleting, copying and pasting individual notes to make your arrangement. Much more convenient to be moving clips around instead of notes. Of course, when you're happy with the basic arrangement you can then bounce all of the parts down to one track for the sake of tidiness.
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Kerch
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 12:17:32
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brundlefly I still often put different pieces or groups of pieces on different tracks as I record them. It's easy enough to show some or all tracks in the PRV together, and then different multi-piece parts (e.g. Hats or Toms) have their own color, making it easier to see what's what. Another reaon I do it is to easily be able to balance the aggressiveness of different pieces/parts by tweaking velocity offset on the track, rather than having to destructively edit and re-edit velocities of individual note numbers in a one-track PRV.
Thanks for the input. I was actually thinking about this after reading one of the posts, i.e., maybe not separating each piece into its own track, but grouping certain pieces, like kick, snare and toms on one; hats on another; cymbals on another, etc. How would I go about doing this? I see the advice to run the "split notes to track" script above, but at what point in the process of actually recording midi notes would I run that script? For example, if I record a few measures of the kick and snare and wanted those to be on their own track, would I THEN run the "split notes to track" script, or is there some other method? Thanks.
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brundlefly
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 13:17:09
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Depends on how you're recording. Are you playing a full drum controller kit or recording parts from a keyboard or pad controller? Since I'm not a drummer, I generally record each part onto its own track as I go: Arm a track and record kick and snare; disarm that track, arm another and record Hats, and so on. If you record multiple parts from any one controller simultaneously, you'll have to manually select note numbers or groups of numbers and copy-paste/drag them to another track. One way to do this is to have the docked PRV and tracks visible at the same time, then click on note numbers in the PRV to select them all, and Shift+Drag the selection from the one track to the target track (created in advance). Holding Shift keeps the notes from changing times when you drag them.
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 13:19:43
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I keep them together for ease of editing and then make a copy that I break up if i want to split.
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 14:00:41
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brundlefly Depends on how you're recording. Are you playing a full drum controller kit or recording parts from a keyboard or pad controller? Since I'm not a drummer, I generally record each part onto its own track as I go: Arm a track and record kick and snare; disarm that track, arm another and record Hats, and so on. If you record multiple parts from any one controller simultaneously, you'll have to manually select note numbers or groups of numbers and copy-paste/drag them to another track. One way to do this is to have the docked PRV and tracks visible at the same time, then click on note numbers in the PRV to select them all, and Shift+Drag the selection from the one track to the target track (created in advance). Holding Shift keeps the notes from changing times when you drag them.
Thanks a lot, I think I've generally got the idea now. So it's just a matter of adding Addictive Drums, recording the part(s) I want, then creating another midi track that references AD, arming it and repeating the process?
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brundlefly
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 14:18:03
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Exactly. Also, you can put the MIDI tracks and Addictive audio output track(s) in a folder to keep them all together and easily be able to collapse the tracks when you're not working on them.
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 22:49:44
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I work in folders as well. In my case I always split the drum kit into separate Midi tracks. Much easier to edit anything that way.
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/10 23:32:02
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Kerch
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Re: Beginner Midi-ist: Help splitting midi into separate tracks per drum kit piece
2013/10/11 11:13:15
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Blades Welcome Kerch, Please take the few minutes to watch the video I put together on my site on how to use drum maps in Sonar. I think you will find it well worth the time. You can find the video here:
Thanks, will check it out.
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