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2016/07/15 18:26:04 (permalink)

Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat

Hi Folks,
I got the new Behringer Motör49 controller keyboard.
I can't get it working as a Mackie Control Surface. It always says "connecting...".
 
I tried many things I read in the forum about the Behringer X-Control but nothing helped.
 
Has anybody some experiences with this device?
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 06:43:40 (permalink)
I couldn't get my M-Audio Code to work in SPlat using Sonar's built-in Mackie Control. Then I discovered AZController form AZSlow, now it works like a charm. 

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 08:01:22 (permalink)
Thanks, I will give it a try. Will it work with motorized faders?
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 11:14:57 (permalink)
AZ works great with my FaderPort, which has a single motorized fader.
 
So the Motor49/61s are out now.  I've been waiting to check one out

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 12:37:30 (permalink)
Yea, they are out, I nearly purchased one this week
Might pay to read through the post in the Cakewalk Products/Sonar forum regarding the Behringer Xtouch, which also has motorised faders, dont know if it will help you with the motor 49
http://forum.cakewalk.com...Platinum-m3314951.aspx
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 13:58:17 (permalink)
FWIW, I have an X-Touch setup in Sonar.  Works great and quiet faders, not noisy like my old BCF2000.

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 16:40:16 (permalink)
I have updated my MackieControl mod: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3311275
It should work with all devices which claim do be Mackie Control compatible but stuck showing "Connecting..." status. The mod has one extra option now: "Disable handshake", which should solve that problem.
 
There are reports that original VS-700 plug-in till some degree works with Mackie Control compatible devices.
 
X-Touch is known as really compatible, so it works with stock plug-in. Since there was no success reports from Motör, may be they forgot about handshake part of the protocol. But the first thing to check is correct Input and Output ports in Sonar Control Surfaces preferences.

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 16:41:03 (permalink)
It works with AZ Control. Thanks for your suggestions!
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 16:48:55 (permalink)
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It works with AZ Control. Thanks for your suggestions!

Mackie preset in AZ Controller is not well tested. I suggest to give Cakewalk MackieControl a try (or my moded version of it in case stock one does not work).
 
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/16 18:25:48 (permalink)
The Cakewalk MackieControl and the moded one are not connecting.
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/17 03:09:39 (permalink)
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The Cakewalk MackieControl and the moded one are not connecting.

Moded one should be always "connected", even without device. But sure since the mod is several hours old, I could overseen something. Do you see "Disable handshake" option? Have you set it? Also some project should be loaded into Sonar.

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/18 12:30:32 (permalink)
Thanks azslow, I found the new version of the MackieContol.dll with the Disable Handshake option.
It works!
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/18 12:55:46 (permalink)
What should I do with the MackieControl.ini file?
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/18 13:27:18 (permalink)
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What should I do with the MackieControl.ini file?

Copy it to the folder where MackieControl.dll is, so replace default one. ProChannel EQ/Compressed should be correctly mapped then.

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/18 13:36:37 (permalink)
OK. Thank you! I am a bit confused, cause there is no MackieControl.ini in that folder?!
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/18 13:44:33 (permalink)
It was in my installation... but may be it is from some previous version of Sonar. Without that file everything works, but without reasonable EQ/Comp mapping. You can also manually add other FXes you use (you can modify the file with any text editor).

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/07/18 13:52:04 (permalink)
Cool. Thank you!
Now I got to go...making some music live....
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/12/31 23:29:59 (permalink)
 
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2016/12/31 23:35:10 (permalink)
I finally un-boxed my Motor 49. I'm pretty sure I followed all the instructions here. After several hours, no joy. I've gotten motorized SAC-2k (still works great), BCF-2000, and Yamaha 01v all to work bidirectional in the past.... but this Darn Motor 49 - jest don't happen.
 
It seems some of you have gotten this to work with Azslow's MackieControl.DLL but I can't.
 
Could someone be so kind as to post a step by step instruction set as to how they got it to work? Include file locations, midi ports setup (I assume it's the Motor 49 USB or MIDI). I would love to share your joy. Happy New Year to all.
 

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/13 10:40:15 (permalink)
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Could someone be so kind as to post a step by step instruction set as to how they got it to work? Include file locations, midi ports setup (I assume it's the Motor 49 USB or MIDI). I would love to share your joy. Happy New Year to all.
 




 
i just bought a motor61, and my hope was that i could use it with sonar. i have also tried to follow the directions here, and i have also ended up with no joy. meanwhile i downloaded demo copies of reaper and tracktion, and both of these programs work flawlessly with motor61 in mackiecontrol mode. it makes me sad that my favorite daw can't seem to get this one simple thing right. oh well - moving on.
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/13 16:03:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby realitybytez 2017/02/14 22:51:25
1. Install Cakewalk Control Surfaces plug-ins (just in case for some reason they are not installed with Sonar):
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013438/Control-Surface-Installers
2. In Sonar Preferences, MIDI - check Motor Inputs and Outputs (I guess 2 + 2), "Apply".
3. In Sonar Preferences, Control Surfaces, add new surface ("*" icon toward the right top corner), select "Mackie Control" (NOT XT, NOT C4!), select Motor In/Out (Second)
4. Check in the Sonar ACT Control Bar Module (add it if not there) that you see "Mackie Control", "Connecting..." (it is not working yet, that is normal).
5. Exit Sonar (!)
6. Locate "MackieControl.dll" file in the file system (usually in "C:\Cakewalk\Shared Surfaces", but can be in "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Surfaces" or some other place, depending from Sonar version and custom installation folders). In worth case search the whole file system with Windows Explorer. If there are many, try to guess the number of bit for each (usually 32bit will be in "Program Files (x86)") and replay ALL of them in the step 7.
7. Depending from the number of bits of you Sonar (not Windows, since you can use Sonar 32bit on Windows 64bit):
* 64bit - https://github.com/AZSlow3/Cakewalk-Control-Surface-SDK/raw/dyneq/Bin/x64/MackieControl.dll
* 32bit - https://github.com/AZSlow3/Cakewalk-Control-Surface-SDK/raw/dyneq/Bin/x86/MackieControl.dll
And replace found on your computer MackieControl.dll with downloaded one.
8. Start Sonar, open "Mackie Control - 1" from Utilities Menu. In the "Options" section you should see "Disable handshake" (If you do not, return to (5) and find correct dll to replace).
Motor should work now.
 
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/14 22:51:00 (permalink)
 
 

 
i'm so happy i could cry. you just made my day. i'm not even sure what i did wrong before. but it's all working now. thank you so much!
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/15 02:46:25 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby realitybytez 2017/02/15 23:58:23
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i'm so happy i could cry. you just made my day. i'm not even sure what i did wrong before. but it's all working now. thank you so much!

You are welcome.
 
Just one more note: after you upgrade Sonar, you will need to repeat (5-8) procedure (Sonar installers restore original DLL). But once you have correct file and you know correct place, that does not takes long.

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/15 23:57:57 (permalink)
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Just one more note: after you upgrade Sonar, you will need to repeat (5-8) procedure (Sonar installers restore original DLL). But once you have correct file and you know correct place, that does not takes long.




why doesn't cakewalk just fix the problem? obviously it is fixable. you've proven that. thanks again.
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/16 05:11:42 (permalink)
Good question. I had trouble with the Cakewalk version not working with my mixer/interface. Someone else on this forum found a "better" one online that looks the same, has the same date and file size, but actually works. Maybe someone should send them the "good" one.
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/16 06:20:05 (permalink)
I do not think the same data and file size can magically work. I could not "find" such solution 
 
In respect to Motör and some other surfaces, the reason is not Cakewalk but controller producers. They "forgot" to implement Mackie handshake. So they have INCOMPLETE MCU compatibility. Original Cakewalk plug-in is strict there, if something is not really compatible it does not work. I have "relaxed" the check in my mod, so it can work with devices of any "compatibility" level. But that does not change the company you should blame...
 
Cakewalk MackieControl is Open Source. Anyone is free to modify it. But it is up to Cakewalk to include the modifications into Sonar distribution. Along technical, there are also legal questions. Open Source does not mean you can do with the code what you want, not even in case the code is derived from something you own. In this particular case (MackieControl and my mod) there is no show stoppers, still someone in CW will have to invest time to revise the mod, get confirmation it is ok to include it, really recompile the plug-in, pass it to the quality control, etc... All that just because some hardware producers "had no time" to read Mackie documentation 
 

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/16 17:28:42 (permalink)
Most dimwits, like me, expect things to work the way they are said to work. So when they don't, we don't know what, or who, to blame. And I certainly don't know to, or how to, modify something to make it work. And you are right, it's the hardware maker's fault for not making their own DLL or relying on another's DLL without fully implementing compatibility. MackieControl.dll probably works perfectly with Mackie hardware.
 
On a lesser note, I said date, not data.
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/19 11:17:54 (permalink)
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In respect to Motör and some other surfaces, the reason is not Cakewalk but controller producers. They "forgot" to implement Mackie handshake. So they have INCOMPLETE MCU compatibility. Original Cakewalk plug-in is strict there, if something is not really compatible it does not work. I have "relaxed" the check in my mod, so it can work with devices of any "compatibility" level. But that does not change the company you should blame...
 
Cakewalk MackieControl is Open Source. Anyone is free to modify it. But it is up to Cakewalk to include the modifications into Sonar distribution. Along technical, there are also legal questions. Open Source does not mean you can do with the code what you want, not even in case the code is derived from something you own. In this particular case (MackieControl and my mod) there is no show stoppers, still someone in CW will have to invest time to revise the mod, get confirmation it is ok to include it, really recompile the plug-in, pass it to the quality control, etc... All that just because some hardware producers "had no time" to read Mackie documentation 



and yet, other daws (like the two i mentioned earlier) work with the motor61 right out of the box. and no need to check a box telling it to ignore the handshake. i still blame cakewalk.
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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/19 12:50:15 (permalink)
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and yet, other daws (like the two i mentioned earlier) work with the motor61 right out of the box. and no need to check a box telling it to ignore the handshake. i still blame cakewalk.

These other DAWs ignore handshake. Motor61, M-Audio devices, previous iCon firmware and some other devices have not implemented it. So, they are not following Mackie protocol specification. Is that good in practice? It is possible to say yes, since less requirements means relaxed compatibility. But is that correct Mackie protocol implementation? No.

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Re: Behringer Motör49 with Sonar Plat 2017/02/19 16:20:13 (permalink)
please don't think my frustration was aimed at you. you're my hero for fixing my problem. i'm just frustrated that cakewalk seems to be so stubborn about making their product compatible with as many different pieces of hardware as possible.`behringer, m-audio, and icon are all major players in the industry. why not make sonar more universally usable?
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