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2013/12/13 10:18:07 (permalink)

Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine

Why are people saying X32 has problem being use as as control surface with Sonar?
 
I followed this instruction
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=ExternalDevices.03.html
and my x32 Compact (firmware 1.15) works as advertised as control surface for my Sonar X3 (64bit) just like I expected.
Transport controls, Mutes, Volume, bank shift, record ready... it all works - quite nice.
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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2013/12/13 10:41:02 (permalink)
I suspect that a lot of people don't read instructions and end up creating problems for themselves. Just have to read a lot of the posts in this forum top work that out.good on you for following instructions and obtaining the desired outcome.

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2013/12/13 23:33:53 (permalink)
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I suspect that a lot of people don't read instructions and end up creating problems for themselves. Just have to read a lot of the posts in this forum top work that out.good on you for following instructions and obtaining the desired outcome.



The funny thing about it is, those kind of people are also the BIGGEST whiners...

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2013/12/14 09:04:06 (permalink)
That's totally cool. I"ve really been looking at that board to update my old analog.  Do you use the mic pres or just as a control surface?  Some details if time permits would be great.

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/04 21:56:26 (permalink)
I just purchased an X32, thanks in part to some of the excellent reviews and help in here.
On with learning this baby....
 
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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/05 01:01:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Charlyv 2017/06/21 23:45:02
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I just purchased an X32, thanks in part to some of the excellent reviews and help in here.
On with learning this baby....
 
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Welcome to the forum Charly.
There is a guy on these forums (Promidi) who has made some updates I believe for the X32.
I cant recall specifics because I don't use an X32 I use a Mackie Control instead. But I believe some of his updates will help make the interaction between Sonar and the X32 a little better than it already is.
I've heard nothing but good things about the X32. Congrats on your purchase.
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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/05 05:04:56 (permalink)
Are you using the convertors in the Behringer?  If so, what kind of latency can you get down to? 
 
I have an X-touch controller and it is remarkably well built.  Behringer have come a long way since the last time I bought one of their products! 

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/05 05:43:02 (permalink)
i could be wrong, but when chuck mentions the forum member who has done some work getting control surfaces etc to get along with sonar, he might thinking of azslow3 and not promidi, again i may be mistaken but i have read a lot of threads and posts from and about the stuff azslow3 has made
 
you can find here, some may or may not be of assistance to you (sorry if i am off track)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/SONAR-Resources-and-Utilities-m3392713.aspx
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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/05 10:58:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Charlyv 2017/06/21 23:45:40
There's nothing to improve on the X32 control surface functions in Sonar. They all work exactly as they should straight out of the box. It's asio drivers interaction with the playlist is another story. If you do use the playlist and glitching ccurs as the next song is loading, switch over to wasapi mode. It works flawlessly (for playlist playback only).

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/05 11:57:39 (permalink)
How load are the motor faders?
I have sold a Behringer XTouch, because the faders are as loud as a dot matrix printer. Hearing and mixing music at the same time is not possible!!
I guess Behringer uses the same motor faders with the X32?
 
 
 

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/05 15:28:53 (permalink)
I have used the midas m32 extensively live as well as the x32 - however not as a control surface.  It uses identical software.  The hardware however is substantially superior in feel and durability between the two products with the (Midas being the better one).   If I were to invest in a console capable of doing both I would gravitate to the midas for this reason.  Are there any users out there who have used the midas with sonar?

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/05 22:02:15 (permalink)
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How load are the motor faders?
I have sold a Behringer XTouch, because the faders are as loud as a dot matrix printer. Hearing and mixing music at the same time is not possible!!
I guess Behringer uses the same motor faders with the X32?
 


I don't find the motorised faders particularly loud on my X32 Producer - they make very little sound at all. That said I use it exclusively for live work, and as a control surface only for tuning backing tracks.
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I have no idea if they are the same faders as the XTouch.

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/07 11:02:16 (permalink)
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I have used the midas m32 extensively live as well as the x32 - however not as a control surface.  It uses identical software.  The hardware however is substantially superior in feel and durability between the two products with the (Midas being the better one).   If I were to invest in a console capable of doing both I would gravitate to the midas for this reason.  Are there any users out there who have used the midas with sonar?


I have a Midas M32 that I use with Sonar.  It replaced my X32.  Migration was a matter of installing the Midas USB driver. I used the same config (scene) file from the X32, and directly loaded it into the M32.
 
 

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/21 23:08:12 (permalink)
An output matrix question, multiple sound systems.
 
Here is the PA:
2 QSC K12
2 QSC subwoofers
2 Bose L1 towers running off a Crown amp.
2 JBL 615 Eon's (Floor Monitors)
 
Basic question: Better to chain all the XLR's out of  15/16 (Main Out) or,
major benefits to assign each stereo pair to bus pairs and do this matrix thing?
I used to tune em all with their respective gains, and it was simple because they always came up the way I expected. It looks like the output matrix capabilities of the X32 are really cool, but not much experience yet with it. It would be wonderful to have the control surface for Sonar be able to manipulate these, but since the output stage is so critical in a gig, I wondered if it was bulletproof (or as bulletproof as I guess you can get with automated equipment!)
 
Thanks!
 
 
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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/22 05:16:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Charlyv 2017/06/22 06:06:44
Definitely better to run via the matrix outs so that you can set active crossover points for subs/top boxes and have independant EQ for the different systems, all remote controllable via any tablet. Works flawlessly. Couldn't tell you when I last used my DBX Driveracks:)

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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/22 13:42:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Charlyv 2017/06/24 18:17:55
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An output matrix question, multiple sound systems.
 
Here is the PA:
2 QSC K12
2 QSC subwoofers
2 Bose L1 towers running off a Crown amp.
2 JBL 615 Eon's (Floor Monitors)
 
Basic question: Better to chain all the XLR's out of  15/16 (Main Out) or,
major benefits to assign each stereo pair to bus pairs and do this matrix thing?
I used to tune em all with their respective gains, and it was simple because they always came up the way I expected. It looks like the output matrix capabilities of the X32 are really cool, but not much experience yet with it. It would be wonderful to have the control surface for Sonar be able to manipulate these, but since the output stage is so critical in a gig, I wondered if it was bulletproof (or as bulletproof as I guess you can get with automated equipment!)
 
Thanks!



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It depends on your room for sure.  I am guessing the the l1 bose system is not in the same position as the k12s and subs? Even if they are they have a VERY different q and dynamic response - so any choices you make for the qsc tops, you dont want to effect the l1s etc.  If thats the case then you would definitely give them their own matrix output, or output(s) if its stereo.  Its really easy to go into the routing page and do it.  I work backwards from 16 for front of house, and upwards from 1 for monitors.
 
With the QSC stuff I prefer to run aux fed subs into a buss, and then its own output, so I don't rely on the crossover in the boxes.   This also allows you to independently tune your subs as well.  The QSC subs themselves have a normal and a deep position, and I feel the deep one sounds much better and moves the "center" of the box into the 60 hz range instead of, maybe 90?   However in the tops theres a vocal boost and also a deep switch, I never use these as they tend to make your mix sound far away... however work ok for background music if your a dj.  Theres also an external sub switch which is essentially a high pass, I turn that off too.  That way all of my eq comes from 1 place.
 
Stereo Pairs?  Not totally sure what your asking about?
 
Heres what I might do with your live rig, which Ive used something very similar:
 
Drums - (subgroup send )buss 1-2 - Comp - (DCA 1) - LR
Bass - LR
GTRS - (Subgroup send) Buss 3-4 - Comp (DCA 2) - LR
Keys - (DCA 3) LR
Bvox - (Subgroup Send) Buss 5-6 - Comp (DCA 3) - LR
Lead Vocal - LR
 
 
Kick - Toms - Bass - Keys -> Buss 9 - Sub - (DCA 4) - LR
 
Outputs -
15 16 LR -> Main Tops
13-14 -> L R Satellite (Matrix 1 2 - LR mix)
12 - Sub woofer
1- Eon mon 1
2- Eon mon 2
 
Just my thoughts
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Re: Behringer X32 control surface for Sonar works fine 2017/06/24 18:20:50 (permalink)
Thanks much. I am going to set it up as you suggest, since there is some experience behind it.  Appreciate your time and I will comment back once I get it running.
 
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