The_Kiss
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Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
Hey everyone what’s up? I have a quick question for all the pianist/keyboardists on this forum: “What are the benefits of having a piano/keyboard with hammer action weighted keys as opposed to regular synth non-weighted keys?†When I first started learning piano I was taught on a real grand piano. But then when it came to practicing on my own I just bought a Yamaha keyboard/synth to help me on the days I didn’t have practice. I’ve grown really used to the non-weighted feel but I know that there are several benefits to using weighted keys. I’m just unsure of what these benefits are and since I’m really considering the purchase of the Studiologic VMK-188 Plus controller, I think it just may be better if I start using a weighted keyboard. Thanks! **Oh and while we’re at it, I really enjoy the weighted key feel of Kawaii grand pianos and was wondering how the VMK-188 Plus compares to that feel?
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Nikolas
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/23 01:51:51
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I am no keyboard player by any means, but I could only imagine the feel of weighted key allows so much more capicity in tonal dynamics. The simple ability to modify sound based on pressure and resistance are attributes every decent instrument should emulate whether it is keys, winds, strings or percussion.
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rumleymusic
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/23 01:58:34
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The benefits are really for piano players only. Most midi controlers are not weighted and should not be. The added bounce back in a keyboard aids in more advanced techniques like rapid repeated notes and alows for more "piano like" expression. (Pianos are weighted because they have to be to work, the technique was built around the instrument) NOT having weighted keys in a midi controler is ideal (unless it is being used primarily for piano sounds). Most instruments do not and should not be played in the same manner as a piano.
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The_Kiss
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/23 13:20:35
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ORIGINAL: rumleymusic NOT having weighted keys in a midi controler is ideal (unless it is being used primarily for piano sounds). Most instruments do not and should not be played in the same manner as a piano. Well here's what I'm wondering then...do any of you use a weighted keyboard controller for synth and piano sounds alike? And if so, how has this worked out for you with the synth sounds?
post edited by The_Kiss - 2008/08/23 13:45:03
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krizrox
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/23 15:00:45
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Hmm... interesting comments I have a semi-weighted and a standard synth type instrument here to service both types but I've lost some business to people who prefer a standard weighted instrument. My personal observation based on years of being around other musicians is that there is really no difference in terms of artistic expression. It really boils down to the musician's preference.
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Beagle
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/23 16:27:22
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ORIGINAL: The_Kiss ORIGINAL: rumleymusic NOT having weighted keys in a midi controler is ideal (unless it is being used primarily for piano sounds). Most instruments do not and should not be played in the same manner as a piano. Well here's what I'm wondering then...do any of you use a weighted keyboard controller for synth and piano sounds alike? And if so, how has this worked out for you with the synth sounds? I have one of each. My digital piano is weighted 88 keys and my synth is a 61 key. there are things I cannot play on the 61 key due to the size limitation and I'll move to the DP. but those times I move to the DP are not typically for synth sounds, they're typically for piano type playing. but I think Larry nailed it: "It really boils down to the musician's preference."
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ohhey
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/23 20:08:49
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It depends on what sound you are doing the performance for. If it's a slow expressive piano part the weighted is nice but if it's a gliss up or fast run for an organ sound (like rock Hammond B3 type thing) it's nice to have non-weighted. So it's nice to have both available.
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madratter
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 11:43:59
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I have both and as others have said, I think it is best to have both. I personally find it easier to get the dynamics right on a weighted keyboard. And I will use a weighted keyboard for synth (not just piano) parts. But there are some things that are just easier to accomplish on a non-weighted action. Frank's mention of Gliss and Hammond type sounds are dead on.
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aaronk
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 13:13:47
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Piano keys are weighted because the piano is built that way. In other words, the weight of the keys is inherent in the instrument. Pianists will often try out dozens, even hundreds of pianos before buying one, to find an instrument where the weight of the keys (among other factors) feels exactly right to them. Other keyboards, e.g. organs, harpsichords, clavichords, have very different key feelings. There is no one "right" feel to a keyboard. Non-weighted keyboards are fine for synthesizers, since all the keys are doing is transmitting electrical messages. As with any instrument, the feel of the keyboard to YOU is what matters most. I really recommend trying keyboards out at a shop rather than buying one on-line -- the different models vary quite a lot. One feature I recommend seeking out is aftertouch -- sensitivity of the keys to additional finger pressure after the note is struck. Many software synths respond to AT, so you'll enjoy having it.
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 15:12:29
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“What are the benefits of having a piano/keyboard with hammer action weighted keys as opposed to regular synth non-weighted keys?†This is a topic near to my heart, since keyboard action has always been my #1 selection criterion for every instrument or controller I've ever owned (and I've a lot of them). If you're accustomed to playing a real acoustic piano, chances are the majority of synth/MIDI controller keyboards will leave you unsatisfied. You'll find that some passages that you can play smoothly and easily on that baby grand are surprisingly difficult to play on a synth, and lack dynamics in the recording. That's due primarily to the keyboard action (and sometimes to the size and shape of the keys). Don't assume that a "weighted" keyboard will feel like a piano. In most cases, "weighted" means exactly that: they've glued little weights under the keys to give them some inertia. If you've ever taken your piano apart, you know that's not what gives piano keys they're tactile feel - it's the complex mechanical mechanism, the inertia of the hammers, the bounce off the strings. Very hard to emulate with spring-loaded plastic tabs. Some of the best piano-style keyboards are made by Yamaha and Kawai. Yamaha makes a killer electro-acoustic piano that's shaped like a miniature baby grand that you have to play to believe. But it's very, very expensive. In the more affordable range, the P90 and its successors come very close. The MO6 and MO8 use the same keyboard. The Motif series does not - it's a more conventional weighted synth-style keyboard, and not to my liking, which is why I bought a MO8 instead. But what if you get a great piano-style keyboard, and now you're ready to start playing some B3 parts in your recording? Ugh. You simply cannot play convincing B3 parts on a piano keyboard! That's where a conventional synth keyboard comes in handy. For that, you don't really want weighted keys at all, but it's hard to find controllers that aren't weighted. I finally gave up looking and just went and bought a Hammond XK-1. I do find that a weighted piano-style keyboard does suit most synth sounds. Horns and strings are no problem. Sometimes fast bass parts can be challenging, in which case I'll switch over to the Hammond and use it as the controller for keyboard bass.
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Hard2Hear
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 15:24:54
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If you input drum parts on a keyboard (like I do alot) you do not want weighted keys. Same with fast choppy organ, clav, or rhodes parts playing funk.
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ohhey
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 16:51:12
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ORIGINAL: Hard2Hear If you input drum parts on a keyboard (like I do alot) you do not want weighted keys. Same with fast choppy organ, clav, or rhodes parts playing funk. Yeah... the weighted ones don't bounce back fast enough for some stuff... too much delay, mechanical delay, not latency.
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aaronk
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 18:35:35
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If you input drum parts on a keyboard (like I do alot) you do not want weighted keys. But you do want them made out of something sturdy, so the drum sticks won't break them.
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Beagle
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 19:16:05
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ohhey
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RE: Benefits of weighted vs. non-weighted keys??
2008/08/25 20:00:57
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ORIGINAL: aaronk If you input drum parts on a keyboard (like I do alot) you do not want weighted keys. But you do want them made out of something sturdy, so the drum sticks won't break them. LOL ! that would be a great fake customer support call..
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