Benstat's GREAT work "Sonar Plus Toolbar" means SONAR needs REAL Toolbars BACK...

I've downloaded Sonar plus and it is indeed a great bit of work by Benstat BUT I don't use it and probably never will. I don't like the little tool icons and they serve no purpose for me and the way I work with X1.

Doesn't mean you should like X1 with the changes but the only EVIDENCE that the interest in the Sonar Plus to me is that there is more than one way to work in X1. It by no means means that we need to return to the icons of 8.53. For you yes, for many others not so much.

I hate the little icons of 8.53 and always did. I really like the new user interface of X1 and I really like the Smart Tool, how it works in the PRV, and Screen Sets. X1 is faster to navigate and more logical - for me.

If Sonar Plus helps users that like the old interface then I'll applaud Benstat all day long - which I do. It's just not any better for me, and actually gets in my way and is very distracting - for me. I've adjusted to X1 and prefer it over 8.53 and look forward to expanding the current feature set.

And please don't argue that the old way is faster. It might be faster for you but it is not inherently faster for ALL users. Or all the extra clicks that have destroyed Sonar. They are simply not there for all users and all users don't find them awkward or ill conceived.

I don't have any problem with the Bakers adding some old functionality for users who prefer the old interface but I would not hold my breath waiting for any such changes. I just think the horse has left the barn and the new interface is here to stay.

I surely respect your view, HumbleNoise....

...but facts say that Toolbars (they DON'T HAVE to be still that little... not the point...) are STILL needed... 

...sure, they might be modernized and improved, but AVAILABLE (at WILL, ence customizable...) features, at least for MANY users, can't be wrong...

Everything can be improved, EVEN Sonar X1.......................................

...don't you see guys....


...some of you may not be asking for it.... 

...while OTHERS ARE certainly an strongly asking for that...!

My point being,  if something is somehow needed, there are reasons for it...

...as adding options like selectable/viewable/hide/unhide Tools would not hurt, NONE of us....

...it would be a strong PLUS, not minus....


all the best.

gothic.angel

..as adding options like selectable/viewable/hide/unhide Tools would not hurt, NONE of us....

...it would be a strong PLUS, not minus....


all the best.

TOTALLY agree with this point and my money's on those changes coming in the future. More customization has always been good and I think those changes will return to X1,2,3 but Sonar will never again look like 8.53 IM(H)O.

I agree with gothic.angel (never thought I'd say that out loud! lol!)

I have and use sonarplus from ben on X1.  I want the icons for some functions and screenshots do not cover those functions.  I would have preferred that these functions had not been removed from the GUI of sonar, but they did, so I'm using ben's tool.

chuckebaby

FastBikerBoy


I'm with you on this humblenoise.

By all means let those that want them, have the old icons etc back but not at the expense of how X1 is just now. An option for 8.5 look for those that want it, yes - although 8.5 is there for those that like that, so quite why CW would want to turn X1 back into 8.5 is beyond me but each to their own.

Compulsory, definitely not.......... I'm fine with using screensets thanks.

and what your not with me???..i agreed with humble too....lol   :)..
screens sets...i love'm too ffb...peace.

TOTALLY agree with you on this Charlie!  

Beagle


I agree with gothic.angel (never thought I'd say that out loud! lol!)

I have and use sonarplus from ben on X1.  I want the icons for some functions and screenshots do not cover those functions.  I would have preferred that these functions had not been removed from the GUI of sonar, but they did, so I'm using ben's tool.

That is simply the best of a couple of different worlds. And where else can you find a user that creates such a Masterpiece as Sonar Plus? My hat is off to benstat and all he has done for Sonar users - simply amazing - to quote another thread..

Beagle


...I want the icons for some functions and screenshots do not cover those functions.... 

yep, "Beagle".... that's it...

HumbleNoise

gothic.angel

..as adding options like selectable/viewable/hide/unhide Tools would not hurt, NONE of us....

...it would be a strong PLUS, not minus....


all the best.

TOTALLY agree with this point and my money's on those changes coming in the future. 

More customization has always been good 

and I think those changes will return to X1,2,3 but Sonar will never again look like 8.53 IM(H)O.

HumbleNoise

gothic.angel


I surely respect your view, HumbleNoise....

...but facts say that Toolbars (they DON'T HAVE to be still that little... not the point...) are STILL needed... 

...sure, they might be modernized and improved, but AVAILABLE (at WILL, ence customizable...) features, at least for MANY users, can't be wrong...

Everything can be improved, EVEN Sonar X1.......................................

Didn't see this post Gothic. I agree that we should have customizable tool bars and again I'd bet they are on the way but not soon. And I also agree that X1 can be improved. I'm afraid it's going to be slow and steady though and could be a couple of new versions before full customization returns. All IMO of course.

Yes, and thank you Humble... 


Those were exactly my points... 

HumbleNoise


My bet for future versions of Sonar is a customizable, floating tool bar. It's a logical next step after a total GUI redesign. When? That's the question.

...+ the above one.....  

i got all the questions but none of the answers

gothic.angel


I surely respect your view, HumbleNoise....

...but facts say that Toolbars (they DON'T HAVE to be still that little... not the point...) are STILL needed... 

...sure, they might be modernized and improved, but AVAILABLE (at WILL, ence customizable...) features, at least for MANY users, can't be wrong...

Everything can be improved, EVEN Sonar X1.......................................

I agree with you... they should be available! (That's all they EVER were)... You could alwyas make shortcuts tho they might have increased the number of them available... and you could illiminate as many buttons as you chose to...

So while I love Ben's work, it's also obvious that enuf people do use them so they should be availalbe within the program and not require an outside source to get them... I'm sure even Ben would agree as he's the first to say he hopes Cakewalk will make his program obsolete.... You don't have to use them any more than I do Matrix, Beatscape, etc.... they're not part of my work needs so I simply don't know they exist (unless I decide to get playfull)...

Keni

Keni

...So while I love Ben's work, it's also obvious that enuf people do use them so they should be availalbe within the program and not require an outside source to get them... I'm sure even Ben would agree as he's the first to say he hopes Cakewalk will make his program obsolete....

My issue is that I'm being made to wait to get back what I already had so to please others who want different than I do and I don't think that was a "fair" decision...  tho I'm sure the Bakers had their' reasons I doubt they wanted to make so many established users unhappy. 

          

....perfect summary of my thread...  

 
I love Ben's SONAR Plus - these are the buttons I want in my DAW
 
I did suggest a customisable Control Bar Module a long while back, but I think Ben has surpassed that
 
This is the sort of thing I had in mind:
 

 
 
And what's more, as soon as X1b fails to deliver proper customisable colours, I'll be buying Panu a few beers and downloading his mod too.
 
 
 
 
 
 

SteveStrummerUK


 
I love Ben's SONAR Plus - these are the buttons I want in my DAW
 
I did suggest a customisable Control Bar Module a long while back, but I think Ben has surpassed that
 
This is the sort of thing I had in mind:
 

 
 
And what's more, as soon as X1b fails to deliver proper customisable colours, I'll be buying Panu a few beers and downloading his mod too.
 
 
 
 
 
 

I made this suggestion a while back, its really nice to see it visualized. However, I don't think that X1 should go back to the cluttered pre-X1 multi-toolbar look. I think a customizable control bar module would satisfy 90% of the people that are missing some of the flexibility of the older versions.


-e.B