Best Audio Interface suggestions

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2011/09/06 23:55:18 (permalink)

Best Audio Interface suggestions

Hi Guys,  Back again after a date with the studio.  I am beside myself and could use your suggestions on this one.
 
I first bought the M-Audio Fast track Ultra USB and installed it.  X1(x) didn't really like it and I received considerable BSOD with it all with error reports linked back the M-Audio.
 
I returned it and bought the newest release Fast Track Ultra that came with Pro Tools SE ($150) more than previous audio unit.
 
I cleaned the system, re installed the new card, drivers etc.., At first thigns were going well.  Then I tried a couple projects gradually loading up the audio and midi loads.  I couldn't seem to get better than 4800 with 6MS with any stability or reliability of sound and quality.
 
Then after playing with several stand alones, Reason, FL10, X1c, Ivory II, I started to get rice crispies back.  I ended up having to re callibrate for each programme.  Ok, a chore but it was livable.
 
Today, I opened X1, played with Z3ta+2 found a really cool bass patch and cought the creative groove.  I set up to record the riff adn poof!, the Z3ta+2 kept reverting back to the Showcase sounds.  I couldn't get the patch I selected to stay when I tried to record.
 
Ok fine, Ill use another synth so I don't lose the feel and the riff I wanted to lay down.  I load the VST and Poof!!!! BSOD>.<
 
Error message again M-Audio error                    Reboot
 
Sytem checked fine, Raid came back up fine, no W7 error messages or reporting at all.
 
I loaded X1 again and got the error message (Guilib.ddl not found)  Frustrated I closed the error message and X1 loaded normally.  I could play anything.  I loaded FL10 and nwo more rice crispies.  Re calibrated and it was ok.  Go back into Reason/Record, no (Guilib.dll Missing) message.  Thats usualy what you get the message from from everything I have read so far.
 
So, my dilema and frustration is this.  Am I beating my head against the wall with this sound card?  2 Tries already returning and re installing for the same result.  My interest is in gettign a sound card that will be flexible, stable, and adjustable across all platforms of Software.  My specs are in my sig.  I would appreciate your feedback and any suggestions you may have.  I know X1 is still fussy, but that's ok really.  It's to be expected.  My son has the same card (older version of Fast Track Ultra) but he is running a 32 bit XP system and X1c and no trouble at all.  I bought him the producer version so we could share projects and collaborate without hassle.  Everything I have is literally brand new.  I built this workstation as my dream machine and now it is starting to feel more like a nightmare.
 
1)Soundcard of choice  2) GUIlib.ddl wth?  3) BSOD M-Audio related or X1c 64 bit issue?
 
Thanks for reading and responding.

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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 07:59:55 (permalink)
    BSODs typically are caused by problems with the drivers.  since you've been in contact with m-audio over it, I assume you've worked that out as best you can with them and still having the problem with the latest 64bit drivers.

    I know that Jim Roseberry loves the Fast Track ultra and hasn't had the problems you're having with it, so it's definitely a good unit, but if I were you I would be thinking the same thing.

    first I'd make sure you have the latest windows updates.  there could be some driver issues with your motherboard or components which are causing conflicts. 

    I'd also verify I have the unit plugged into a rear USB port, one which is actually mounted directly on the motherboard and not one which is a header with a cable to the case. 

    also, verify that you have power saving features of the USB bus disabled in windows.  you could be experiencing low current issues to the hardware.

    do a check of your RAM - it won't hurt to use the windows RAM check, but do an independent check using memtest with a boot disc.  even that, tho, sometimes don't catch all errors and I might even suggest to go as far as removing all but 1 stick of RAM at a time and see if you still have these kinds of problems.  bad RAM can sometimes be difficult to find and will often show up as problems which don't really make you think "oh - that's bad RAM!"

    power supply.  you've got a 1k power supply listed.  hopefully it's a good one, but any power supply can cause problems if it's not putting out the correct voltage AND current available for each part.  personally I would try a different power supply - even if it's a low wattage one.  I haven't looked up your video card, but unless it's a video card that needs you to plug power into it, you probably don't need a 1000W power supply for your system.  probably 500W is sufficient - try a different power supply and see if your problem still exists.

    beyond that, I would also try to use your FTU on another computer just to see if it's stable there.  I know everyone doesn't have another computer available, but a lot of folks have more than one system in their house, even if it's not an ideal DAW computer.  if you have another system that's win7x64 that would be ideal, even if it's underpowered or lower ram or on the internet or whatever.  try it and see if it's stable there.  that will help you to troubleshoot what the problem in the entire system is. 

    if all that fails then yeah, I'd consider getting a different soundcard and see what happens.  I would worry, however, that there's something wrong in your system which might cause the same problems with a different soundcard.

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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 09:45:45 (permalink)
    it's all personal preference.. I had to change my m-audio ozone , due to their rubbish 64 bit drivers... 2 lots , 3 months apart and they were told the issues and worse than useless tech support. As you posted , you had problems on multiple progs, same here.. so the common thing was the asio drivers. In my case it wouldn't keep the buffer settings and just would give a bizare bit-crusher type effect. got a focusrite saffire 6 , no probs , worked out of the box.. I'd have got either a roland/cakewalk (didn't due to UK pricing at the time) or RME otherwise.
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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 10:02:09 (permalink)
    First, make sure you're not connecting the FastTrack Ultra to a USB-3 port.
    They FastTrack units typically don't work well with USB-3 controllers.
    Even if the FTU worked well when connected to USB-3, there would be no performance gain from doing so.
     
    BSOD is usually hardware/driver related (as Beagle pointed out).
     
    FWIW, I've had good luck with the FastTrack Ultra 8R.  No BSOD or other problems...
    I don't use the latest driver... as they removed high-performance mode (which provides low round-trip latency).  I use driver version 5.10.0.5099
     
    If you're currently using high-performance mode (assuming you're not running the latest driver), then try disabling it.  High-performance mode has problems on some systems... (typically those running a higher end video card).
     
    If you want a recommendation for a different audio interface, you can't go wrong with anything RME.
    They're not cheap... but they're all excellent.  MOTU would be another good option (make sure to use TI Firewire if you end up with a Firewire unit).  The Roland Octa-Capture is yet another good unit.
     
     

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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 10:07:03 (permalink)
    Unless you are as knowlegable as Jim (or get him to make you an integrated system), the simplest thing to do is try a different brand and see if that works if you are having a problem w/ an interface and teh company drivers.  Hardware wise, there ain't that much difference between brands, or enough to justify the pain and time involved in getting a baulky interface to work w/ your particular system.

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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 10:22:14 (permalink)
    Other than more outputs on the Octa capture, the Quad capture uses the the same 64bit driver right?

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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 12:06:57 (permalink)
    Thanks for the posts guys.  To let you knwo what I have done so far and to answer your suggestions here is what I have done already prior to the new round of BSOD's.

    1) FTU only plugged into rear ports main USB 2.0 direct to MB
    2) I only use USB 3.0 for 2 TB back up drive
    3) All sleep mode, power saving options turned off in Bios, W7.
    4) CPU throttleing all turned off
    5) Power SUpply is  Thermaltake, I already swapped out my older 600w Rocketfish, same issues.
    6) Due to what I had read in other posts on the forum I never used High Performance mode ever.
    7) Did a ram check fine, even swapped ram out from another system, same issues.

    The only things I have not done so far is to disable the bluetooth on board for the MB, and remove the Wifi adapter from Dlink.  W7 has latest drivers as well the bios is up to date.  As with any new system this MB chipset is roughly 2 months old now and I expected hickups as new toys never come out solid for our purposes.

    @ Jim ~  Please advise if after reading this I missed something and if not, which models of the brands you suggested whould be appropriate.  I plan on major workload in a standalone private studio.  Mostly solo work.  VST intensive with orchastra type track integration.  I want to run omnisphere, Guitar rig 4, Session drummer pro, Ivory 2, Traktor, Xphrase, Halion, and rewire Reason 6, and FL 10 all at same time if i want to.  As well have my bufddies come over and plug in their guitar or any other audio mono instrument and be able to load it in the mix as well.

    Thanks for the read and your time.

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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 12:16:20 (permalink)
    After getting a spanking new PC system [W7 x64 bit] installed my M-Audio 10/10 with 64 bit drivel's.
    A nightmare couple of weeks of constant BSOD. After reading the reviews on this forum for the Roland Quad capture [and what a great price it is]
    I went for it. Have not had any BSOD or crashes. Great stuff. 
    what a great forum for dealing with stuff like this.
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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 12:18:00 (permalink)
    I want to run omnisphere, Guitar rig 4, Session drummer pro, Ivory 2, Traktor, Xphrase, Halion, and rewire Reason 6, and FL 10 all at same time if i want to. 
     
    I wonder if I can do this with my current specs?

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    Re:Best Audio Interface suggestions 2011/09/07 13:40:23 (permalink)
    I can only recommend what I know, and that is to start with a clean computer and don't install jack on it that isn't necessary. No games, no cracked apps, nothing. This prevents a lot of the crap from ever happening in the first place.

    As far as audio interfaces, I've personally used mid to high end ones and never had an issue. Other people I know have purchased the low end ones and all I can say is that you get what you pay for, unfortunately. Your mileage may vary. 

    I've used the Maudio delta 66 w/omni studio (my first interface like 10 years ago) and it worked flawless (after making sure it didn't operate on IRQ 9 - ah the days of pci cards). A couple years ago I bought the maudio profire 2626 and used it exclusively without issues under 32 and 64 bit. Though I did have to sit on beta drivers for a while for them to catch up to 64 bit. I now use the vstudio 700 and it rocks the world. I thought the profire 2626 was rad until I got this. The preamps are stellar on the vstudio. I have the profire setup through ADAT light pipe into the vstudio so I have an extra 8 Ins. The preamps on the profire are still good, just not as good as the vstudio.

    But my moral of the story is that you have to shell out the cash for quality. Don't skimp. Just remember that the more you put into it, the more likely you are to have less headaches in the future. Not always, but generally, yeah. 

    So there it is. I hope that helps you in some sort of way. 

    Cheers,

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