Best Control Surface for X2

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2013/06/27 14:40:47 (permalink)

Best Control Surface for X2

Any thoughts on a good control surface for X2?  The V-Studio 700 has the functions I need, but is there something else out there that 1-is fairly simple to set up, 2-is stable, and 3-has most of the functions you would expect on a traditional board (e.g., motorized faders, knobs for pan, knobs for sends and EQ in Sonar)?  The V-Studio ability to control plug-ins is cool, but I don't really ever use it.
 
One non-traditional thing I like about the V-Studio is the ability to flip so that the faders will operate pan and the rotary controls will operate gain.  This is good for programming pan movements.
 
One thing I hate about the V-Studio is that the rotary controls for pan move WAY too far and you have to spin them around.  On an old-school board, the pan pot travels from about 7:00 to 5:00.  Ont he V-Studio you can't sweep pan in a single momvement.
 
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    cryophonik
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 14:46:07 (permalink)
    I wouldn't trade my iPad and V-Control Pro for anything.

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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 15:06:04 (permalink)
    So that's an application that runs on iPad and that Sonar recognizes?  Interesting.  How does the iPad connect to your PC?

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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 15:24:08 (permalink)
    Wi-Fi.
     
    http://www.neyrinck.com/v-control-pro
     
    Sonar information:
     
    http://www.neyrinck.com/v...-pro-sonar#menuTopjump
     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 16:50:33 (permalink)
    cryophonik
    I wouldn't trade my iPad and V-Control Pro for anything.




    I've been thinking about trying this. Looks very interesting for my control room.
    Apparently you like..
     
    Sorry Konradh, not meaning to hijack your thread.
    Any further luck with Sweetwater and your build?
     
     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 17:28:46 (permalink)
    For an iPad-based control surface, there is also AC-7 Core HD, which I use on occasion.
    It offers the advantage of being iOS CoreMIDI compatible, which means it could connect to your computer via a compatible USB interface.
    (Which I personally prefer for use with something like Sonar ~ less chances of connection latency being an issue.)
     
    Also, MIDI Designer Pro is a VERY powerful and reasonably-priced iOS app that you can use to build custom MIDI control apps for your DAW, plugins, hardware, etc.  Lots of demos and tutorials on their web site.
     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 18:48:57 (permalink)
    You would think from the wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding the VStudio 700 system, that is was entirely worthless. Though we need a software update, it remains a excellent system with far greater integration with Sonar than anything anywhere. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to complaining. I was an early adopter of the VS700 and have felt somewhat betrayed by the lack of support and software updates for the "Flagship Roland/Cake" integrated system.  Still, it works... even in X2A.  I have spent considerable time researching other units that offer the same integration. If they are out there, I am unaware.

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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 23:51:21 (permalink)
    I really like the V-Studio 700—just wondering what the other options were, but it has what I need (except for my complaint about the range of the rotary pan controls).
     
    In answer to the question above, I may do a fresh X2 install on a new PC, but still thinking about it and need to get an album out the door before I start pulling cables.  So there is no misunderstanding, Sweetwater has worked very hard to assist me.  Intermittent problems that are not experienced—or at least not documented—by other users are tough.  Sweetwater is the most customer-oriented company I have ever encountered.
     
    Back to the original topic, I will probably stay with the Roland console unless something remarkable pops up.  If I go to a new PC with a different interface and a fresh X2 install and still have problems, that will pretty much point to the control surface, but I seriously don't expect that to happen.
     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/27 23:58:56 (permalink)
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    You would think from the wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding the VStudio 700 system, that is was entirely worthless. Though we need a software update, it remains a excellent system with far greater integration with Sonar than anything anywhere. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to complaining. I was an early adopter of the VS700 and have felt somewhat betrayed by the lack of support and software updates for the "Flagship Roland/Cake" integrated system.  Still, it works... even in X2A.  I have spent considerable time researching other units that offer the same integration. If they are out there, I am unaware.




     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/28 08:04:36 (permalink)
    Interesting thread. The pan pot point is valid and although I've always noticed it, it hasn't been a bug bear. Never really gave it a lot of thought until reading all this to be honest....you just get so used to endless pots nowadays etc.
     
    Yes there is much throwing of toys from prams about Roland/Cake dropping the 700 support (it would appear) but I am unaware also of anything better for X2. It does all just work plenty good enough to get results if you ignore the bug bears and use the 700C as a straight surface and although not as seamless as the 8.5.3 integration, it does now at least 'work' with X2a. If there is a better option somewhere Konrad, I also would be very keen....the MCU for example was great but always lacking in integration and the 700C under X2a is certainly a big leap forward as a comparison IMO. +1 for Steve's comments.
     
    The conclusion here has been that this is as good as it can be..... right now. But I'm keeping an eye open on other things in the event something good comes along as the 'loyalty' thing isn't really valid anymore unfortunately..however Sonar is still somehow the king for this user...right now.
     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/28 09:57:43 (permalink)
    Hey Mick (Mully), The pan pot thing does bug me, but I just hit the flip button and use the faders to program anything elaborate so it is not a big deal as much as just an observation.  For those who don't use LSD on a regular basis, you don't really need the pan zooming around a lot anyway.

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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/29 09:15:00 (permalink)
    Haha....fair enough Konrad. Have to admit every time I hit flip I think about all that extra wear and tear on the faders...ADD perhaps?
     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/29 09:41:48 (permalink)
    Still using the V-Studio 700 here too. I'll keep using it until I can't because at the moment, it's the best surface I own.
     
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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/29 16:50:18 (permalink)
    Scott, Since you are somewhat familiar with Sonar (!), I will take your opinion as a solid endorsement.

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    Re: Best Control Surface for X2 2013/06/29 19:52:16 (permalink)
    Hey Konrad... it's possible there's something better out there, but I don't know what. At the moment, I'm not looking cause I don't need anything more. Plus, the VS works with other software (like Reason) via its Mackie Emulation mode, which is cool.
     
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    Is the Mackie Control Pro any good? 2013/06/30 09:05:33 (permalink)
    The street price seems to be about 1/3 that of the V-Studio, and at first glance, the capabilities look very similar.  It seems like the Mackie is not nearly as wide, and that would be an advantage for me with limited desk space.
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    Re: Is the Mackie Control Pro any good? 2013/06/30 14:20:06 (permalink)
    I'll put in a vote for the Mackie MCU.  I would put SONAR support for the MCU behind, Samplitude Pro X and Reaper and very slightly ahead of Studio One.

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    Re: Is the Mackie Control Pro any good? 2013/06/30 15:01:33 (permalink)
    Mod Bod
    I'll put in a vote for the Mackie MCU.  I would put SONAR support for the MCU behind, Samplitude Pro X and Reaper and very slightly ahead of Studio One.



    Thanks, Dave.  BTW, that's a really nice variety of songs and styles on your website.
     
    What I am struggling with is that, on the surface, the Mackie seems to have about the same capabilities as the V-Studio, which is about 3 times the price.  What I am not clear about is whether there is a difference in quality or an important difference in the "integration level".  If there really are important differences, then I'd look at the V-Studio, but as I am just getting started here, my first inclination would be to go with the lower cost unit until I have more experience and a better idea of what will really be helpful.
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    Re: Is the Mackie Control Pro any good? 2013/07/01 01:56:42 (permalink)
    Mod Bod
    I'll put in a vote for the Mackie MCU.  I would put SONAR support for the MCU behind, Samplitude Pro X and Reaper and very slightly ahead of Studio One.

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    Great setup, Dave!  The desk furniture makes the MCU look cool.  I also have MCU Pro + 2 Xtenders, but a fader just broke on one Xtender.  Since those Penny & Giles faders are no longer available, I might have to go with 1 Xtender and use the other for parts.
     
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