Kreative
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Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
Its hard to find a real convincing guitar vst , and some use a lot of fancy key switching methods to produce articulations. I've seen some threads here covering such talk on this subject, but am trying to gather some further consensus on this topic, particularly on Orange Tree products. They look good, but expensive, because of the need to have Kontakt , since O.T. does not have a player to run it. The Real Guitar acoustic is ok, but I'm not completely sold on it. Some years ago I bought the steinberg electric and bass vst's, but they were pretty lame. Any thoughts on current software and your personal experiences with software guitar emulations?
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/13 23:57:04
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The best I know both require Kontakt. In addition to Orange Tree's product, which you mention the cheaper offering from Indiginus are pretty good, less full featured but very useable. I prefer using OT's Evolution Strawberry over Real Strat for electric, but I still use both as they have different sounds. For electric you also have to factor in the need for a decent amp sim. I use Amplitube mostly but I also have Guitar Rig 4 Essentials which widens the pallet. An alternative product is Strum Acoustic and Strum Electric from ASS - These are physical modelling rather than sampled. I have never tried them myself, but there are demo versions for download.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 03:31:48
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I am in a similar boat but am looking for a convincing guitar sim for use with a guitar instead of a keyboard. I already own several sims that have given me no joy. It must be my lack of talent. I am a hack hobbyist guitar player who bought Scarbee Pre Bass after listening to the demos and watching the videos. They sounded great and I even bought an 88 key keyboard controller for it (already owning a 61 key keyboard) for the extra keys that were needed for articulations. Well I have determined that I don't spend enough time on learning how to coax the VST to make it worth my while. I have yet to spend the coins needed for Kontakt for which many libraries are available. I have written to a few software companies asking if the free Kontakt player would be sufficient but have yet to find one that would concur. Not much to reinforce your question here but I wanted to wish you good luck in your endeavors.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 04:03:23
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Keep your eyes on the annual/semi-annual NI sales... they just had one recently I think... 50% off IIRC. Grab a cheap player product if you don't have one already, like esoundz's's's Infinite Player (currently on sale for $11), and use that to crossgrade to Kontakt full during one of those 50% off sales... If you're serious about serious Kontakt libs, like OT and many others, then you really should bite the bullet on Kontakt.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 06:24:22
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Keebo I have written to a few software companies asking if the free Kontakt player would be sufficient but have yet to find one that would concur. The Native Instruments website lists all third party products licesened to work with the Free player - Here If it an't on the list and you don't have Kontakt you are wasting your money. This post will explain why so few third party products are licenced to use the player. http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2426216 Non-licenced libraries will run in the free player in demo mode. They time out after 30 minutes.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 06:48:40
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I've finally figured it might be an easier route to buy a guitar and learn to play it as I've yet to be impressed by any emulation. I'll let you know how I get on with that. Meantime I'll continue calling in favours from those that can play a guitar...
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 07:26:32
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I have heard REAL GUITAR and REAL STRAT played on a video demo, and they sounded pretty good. However, I do believe it is a learned skill to make them sound that real. So as I see it you have a few options. 1. learn the skill set to make one of the good sounding VST's work right. 2. get better ...again by practice... on your guitar 3. collaborate with a guitarist in your genre.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 11:35:48
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The best simulations are based on Kontakt, because Kontakt provides the scripting that allows for variation and expressive articulation. Without that, you just have boring, unconvincing samples. The best simulations are the ones that best exploit the potential of Kontakt's scripting language. This is true of sample libraries in general, but especially so for the guitar because it is such an extraordinarily expressive instrument. I am actually not a fan of Native Instruments the company, yet I encourage everyone to make the investment in the full Kontakt product. It will actually save you money in the long run if you're at all serious about using sampled instruments. There are many low-priced and free libraries out there once you have Kontakt - check out SampleTekk (which has frequent half-price sales), Indiginus (grab all the $5 specials), Hollow Sun (vintage synths and weird stuff) and Lyrical Distortion (varying quality but cheap guitars). Here's a free zither, a Finnish instrument called a kantele, that I have used in place of acoustic guitar. There are also lots of great free and cheap drums and percussion. Greg Schlaepfer's Orange Tree Samples is a highly regarded library developer, who sells electric, acoustic and bass guitar libraries. He's also got a really cool flute lib out now. I use his Evolution Electric Guitar, and the acoustic steel has been on my wishlist for a while now. Listen to the demos; you will be impressed.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 15:59:00
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It's pretty hard to avoid anything that involves key switches. There are so many nuances to a guitar. It's difficult to make a convincing sampled guitar track without using at least a few of them. It will depend on exactly what you're trying to achieve though. Heavy chugs and power chords can be played fairly easily with a minimum of keyswitches. You can even just map the palm mutes further up the keyboard. That's for really basic stuff though. If the guitar is the main instrument in the song, then you're pretty much stuck with learning the gymnastics of multiple keyswitches (which takes time) or learning to play a guitar properly(which takes waaay more time). Orange Tree, Prominy, etc can sound very real, but there's a learning curve and skill set required. There's nothing quick, cheap and painless in the sampled guitar world. It's just not an instrument that can be simulated easily without some work.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/14 20:53:20
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I see where Prominy LPC LE Electric Clean Guitar is now a no-brainer at audioMIDI.com for $15. (MSRP $169) Requires a full version of Kontakt. JV
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/15 22:08:03
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There are many awesome comments being generated here, I think, and I always appreciate the people here on the Cakewalk Forums because they are second to none: knowledgeable and helpful! I'm so far pretty interested in Orange Tree and its more simplified key switching scenario, and will have to see what I can do about raising the funds to get me in contact with Kontakt. [But I also want to buy Symphonic Choirs w/the awesome Word Builder tools, too, another expensive venture for my expansive musical aspirations going in multiple directions] I've heard Prominey is highly acclaimed, but rather more involved than OT in its key switching configuration, with a formidable learning curve. Bitflipper is always generating a lot of good input, here and there on these forums, and seems to have done some good research on additional options that I will investigate. You guys rock. All in all, the common denominator appears to be having the Kontakt connection as the keys to the magic kingdom of software guitardom. Undoubtedly, any direction that I go will require money and time to learn how to use the software effectively with its various articulations. I'm definitely willing to do whatever it takes to get the right results and am leaning towards the Orange Tree!
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Kreative
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/15 22:54:48
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Jonbouy I've finally figured it might be an easier route to buy a guitar and learn to play it as I've yet to be impressed by any emulation. I'll let you know how I get on with that. Meantime I'll continue calling in favours from those that can play a guitar... It seems certain that NOTHING is as real as a real guitar in all of its splendor and spontaneity, and yet, in limited and applied articulations, I think a person could create some convincing and suitable guitar emulations. I guess it all depends on what a persons expectations and needs are, versus the capabilities of these limited emulations. Unless I learn to play guitar like Jimmy Page or Jeff Beck, I'll likely never emulate them with software. I won't really come off like Steve Hackett either, but I might be able to do simpler things, perhaps, that add depth and color to my music, with realism enough to get the job done.
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2011/11/16 00:59:54
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Jonbouy I've finally figured it might be an easier route to buy a guitar and learn to play it as I've yet to be impressed by any emulation. I'll let you know how I get on with that. Meantime I'll continue calling in favours from those that can play a guitar... Is an Alembic bass a guitar?
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Re:Best Guitar VST, Electric and Acoustic
2012/02/09 05:23:21
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Seriously - go for soundfonts. There's many GREAT acoustic guitar soundfonts out there and they're usually free. People make them from their own guitars, you see, so they're much more realistic - being real - than modelled guitars. I'm happy to list some legit. free guitar fonts I love but there's honestly a ton out there. Use SFz Player to play them in - it's not the prettiest to look at by miles but it DOES seem to always do a far better job of playing the soundfonts than anything else. I dunno why - I'm not that much of a programmer - but soundfonts that sound TERRIBLE in many other players usually sound pretty darned reasonable in SFz! If you want backing sounds/drones, get Gort's Doubledecker (yes, it's a real thing!) and Ambience Reverb. Gort's Doubledecker is the CRAZIEST soundfont ever - it's about sixty or so sounds bundled into one soundfont. SFz can handle it fine, though you'll need a separate instance of SFz for each sound you want from Gort. They're all lovely sounds, a bit of EQ/Ambience Reverb and they brush up a treat. And the Johann Roussel soundfonts are great, too. There's one in the collection - PADstring it's called - which you can EQ to make sound like about 4 different pads. So you can layer it onto itself with different amounts of EQ on each instance of PADstring and get a whole collection of pad sounds just from that one sound! I've yet to come across another sound that blends with itself that well, odd though that may - er - sound! It's pretty easy to make your own soundfont, too. You can get Vienna for legit. free, then all you have to do is to shanghai a friend into playing a couple of scales into it on an instrument you like and you can loop it into your own personal soundfont. Yours harmoniously ulrichburke.
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