TremoJem
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Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
This forum has always provided good advise. So...for my meager home studio, which is listed below, I need some cables. We are purchasing a bunch of new mics which include SM57s, e906, AKG Perception 420, Shure Drum Mics, etc. So, I would like to get cables that are up to the task. I don't need high end over the top, as none of my other equipment is of that caliber. But, I would like appropriate cables for my application. I did order a cable from the online retailer and my opinion of this cable for the price, was not good. So, should I be going to places like Redco and configuring Mogami Cable with Neutrik connectors, etc. Please let me know what you think and don't be afraid to be specific. Here is a link of what I configured as an example. http://www.redco.com/Custom-Cable.html basically it is Mogami W2549 and Neutrik NC3FX-Bag. Let me know, thanks.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/03 07:28:52
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Those will be real nice cables. I use and recommend Redco often. Seems like a good value on great cables. I recommend quad core cables... especially for home studios where cabling can get shoved up next to noisy power supplies and stuff. I like Canare brand cable and have used the L-46eS for a couple decades. The Mogami quad is slightly better (lower capacitance per foot) and over twice as expensive. Both cables are above and beyond the threshold of top of the line... so the slight edge that Mogami has doesn't seem worth twice as much... but it could be to someone who is comfortable with the price. The extra capacitance doesn't really interact with the low impedance mic and line level connections. (Where as you can actually hear the effects of cable capacitance on high impedance guitar cord connections) Neutrik are ok and are fast for the assembler. Switchcraft have superior electrical contacts and seem more durable in the field. Most assemblers offer Neutrik but I usually order Switchcraft. best regards, mike
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TremoJem
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/03 07:33:11
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Very interesting reply and good information. I would not have thought that Switchcraft would have been better than Neutrik, shows what I know. Also I thought I read somewhere that quad was not the way to go, but maybe I misunderstood. I will definitely check this out, thanks.
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/03 07:49:18
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I worked with a person who specifically researched the contact resistance of various XLR connections for a military project. You need test grade gear to observe the difference on the contact resistance. Most folks will have probably never thought about that and almost everyone assumes that the custom molded plastic Neutriks are the deluxe choice. None of us can actually hear that difference so get what you want. :-) A nice chunk of quad cable can be placed closer to a humming wall wart than a normal twisted pair... that is something you can actually hear. Under ideal, or normal circumstances... you can hear when you have a really bad cable but most other good ones sound fine. I think it's hard to find a bad mic cable these days... the last time I heard one it was the standard issue Shure freebie that came with the Shure SM bundles. Those things actually degraded the sound. That is really uncommon. The reason to consider a quad core is that the little noises they inhibit are the ones you usually don't notice until too late. So, for a lot of folks it's worth the extra money to end up relaxing about those kinds of noises. All my cable is quad core... it's just the "normal" for me. best regards, mike
post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/05/03 07:50:36
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TremoJem
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/03 09:05:45
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Thanks Mike. I actually appreciate the information and specificity of the content, thanks. It is always a good idea to reduce stress by planning for future problems and going quad may be one of those plans.
post edited by TremoJem - 2013/05/03 10:32:53
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/03 09:42:36
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Just avoid Monster cables. I have to throw that in any time the subject of cables comes up. I've been using Switchcraft connectors since the early 70's. Some of my current cables actually date back that far and still do the job.
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TremoJem
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/03 10:32:20
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I too, love switchcraft...I just thought Neutrik was supposed to be the new big thing. I am old school and back in the day switchcraft was the deal...period. I guess it still is. Cool!
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/03 13:32:14
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Another vote against Monster Cable - like Bit I think this needs to be stated, more than once, in every cable related thread<G>! Neutrik vs Switchcraft - for 1/4" plugs I prefer Switchcraft, for XLR I prefer Neutrik, mostly because it is easier to get them assembled correctly. Any advantage from the contacts is quickly discarded if you don't get a good solder connection<G>. And in complete candidness - I prefer which ever one I can get for less on any given day! I really like Gotham cable, but I also use Canare and Mogami. For low level signals I use only star-quad construction. Make sure you read the docs and pair them up properly though! A couple other things to consider: Foil shields provide 100% coverage, but they cause more problems than they solve, including Shield Current Induced noise due to the geometry of the drain wire, and the foil will break down over time if you move the cable a lot. Braids are better, and Reussen wraps are best. (The Gotham cables use a duel Reussen wrap, easy to work with and excellent coverage.) Redco is an excellent supplier, but building your own is something you should consider. First, it's a lot easier than you think. Second, it will save you money. Third, you can repair your cables, should that ever be necessary. My two cents...
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/05 23:39:18
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Last point that Bit eluded to. He has connectors still going from the late 70s. You might not think that "high-end" cables buy you anything with your current setup, but you don't want to be forced into buying cables again when you upgrade mics, right? Get the best cable you can afford at this point in time. You'll have them for a long time, and you will ask them to serve you over and over regardless of what is plugged into them..
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/06 00:17:38
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I usually roll my own. I like 90 degree connectors on some cords and I like having lengths that work best - I hate having cables that are way too long. Just my two cents.
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TremoJem
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/06 06:15:43
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Has anyone taken a look at Redco's cable offering. They have three, and the heavy duty one looks great. I mean if you are installing permanently in a studio and don't move them or wind and unwind a lot, then, regular is fine, but, if you roll up put away, and then unroll and set up on a weekly basis, then heavy duty seems like the right fit. Sometimes I think you are paying for green paint on John Deer and the name for Mogami, etc. Don't get me wrong, I built all of my cables for my guitar rig and used Mogami for all of it, but I did not give any other cable manufacturers a chance. So what do you all think of Redco's cable offering for use with Neutrik or Switchcraft ends? Just wondering.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/06 07:14:04
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They describe it as heavy duty and it seems as if it has 20 AWG conductors, low capacitance and ok shielding (85%) The thicker 20 AWG conductors advantage would be when sending phantom power send over long runs (150' etc.) with less voltage drop. The Redco quad core cable is just a few cents more a foot and each paired conductor is 2 x 24AWG wire... so it actually has more capability than the so called "heavy duty" selection. With regards to overall durability, the quality of the insulation material and it's ability to last 20 or 40 years without disintegrating is a possible factor. The manufacturers names come with some reputation for being able to do that. Maybe Redco is buying the "redco" cable from a famous USA manufacturer like "Belden"... you can ask hem about the insulation quality. In practical terms, cables that are wound over-under can be handled and worked with for a couple decades. The connectors are likely to get smashed on occasions... If some of the plastic stuff breaks it may need replacement. I don't think Redco is offering anything you will regret buying. all the best, mike
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/06 09:03:31
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I have no Redco complaints here. Rocky
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/06 11:08:46
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Switchcraft, Mogami, Beldon. I have both pre made and hand made my own. I think my entire collection which fills 3 suitcases is now 20 years old and more. If I have any issue it will be with Neutrik stuff coming apart. The plastic parts break. It's true switchcraft is a bit harder to work with, but you only do it once. Interesting comment about the Shure supplied cables. My friend has his set of cables that came with his collection of SM57 and SM 58's from the early 70's and swears they have never needed a repair. Not sure what the cable is but the ends are switchcraft. They always wind up nice and easy. I was looking in a music store the other day at cables and they all looked like crap to me... It's more a look than a function. Like "gold" plating... sorry it's not gold its something that will corrode when you spill beer on it.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2013/05/06 11:12:41
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/06 12:07:13
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...it's not gold its something that will corrode when you spill beer on it. All my surviving cables have had to pass the spilled-beer test at some time or another. Back in college we used to play regularly for keggers, and after the gig all those sticky cords and cables had to be wiped down before rolling them up. We kept beer rags in the cord box for that purpose. Nowadays my cables enjoy a safer, much less corrosive existence. The biggest danger now is me tripping over them.
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TremoJem
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/07 06:18:17
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Good stuff, thanks guys. I kinda wish I considered the quad cable before I pulled the trigger. To be honest, I completely forgot about it...damn. Thanks again everyone.
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/07 16:52:01
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Canadian beer is more corrosive than American, and the stuff in the UK can melt the cable cover too!
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/08 20:54:19
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bitflipper Just avoid Monster cables. I have to throw that in any time the subject of cables comes up. I've been using Switchcraft connectors since the early 70's. Some of my current cables actually date back that far and still do the job. I use pretty much nothing but Monster and have been fine for me. What is it you don't like about them? Just curious.
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/09 09:10:44
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I use pretty much nothing but Monster and have been fine for me. What is it you don't like about them? Just curious. Their Monstrous business ethics?
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/09 09:38:53
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I concur with no-Monster Cables. http://www.monoprice.com/ is where I get all my stuff recently. Top notch cables, for a very reasonable price.
post edited by mr_rmz28 - 2013/05/10 18:41:10
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/09 11:57:05
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I've never bought one so cannot advice first hand, But I have read zillions of reviews and posts by people I trust their opinions. It would seem that this company "Monster" is held in low esteem by audio professionals. I don't purchase cables that have so called "gold" plating. I don't believe there's much real gold in there so I stick with whatever it is Switchcraft uses. I believe it's a nickle alloy. I have also come across Monster cables in places like Radio Shack so that tells me they are mass consumer oriented. They seem overpriced for the quality. So it would seem that the company is " Marketing" based and not at all about building what audio professionals ask for.
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/10 13:17:45
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Personally, I build my own cables, but I'm also good at soldering. Unless you're building a studio to compete with the big boys, and you would be ok building cables, don't bother with anything more than this: Rapco Star-Quad spool (may cable is yellow) and Gold-plated Neutrik connectors. You will save yourself thousands and come out with excellent cables. I have several that are 50+ feet and they are super silent, even when strung right alongside of power cables. They're made mainly for TV studios. Be sure and wire all five conductors to the XLR plugs. Monster and Mogami are embarrassingly over-priced. They are good cables (Mogami is better than Monster, imo), but they both use the same marketing technique: If you want the BEST, you will buy ours and pay our premium prices. They REALLY dig the "get what you pay for" analogy. But this is not unlike the $10,000 power cables you can get your hands on. They are likely the best, but this gets pretty subjective in nature, when compared to other areas you're better off spending time and money on. See my signature...
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/10 14:02:12
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For location work, I will use standard canare star-quad or redco snake cable. Neutrik connectors are better for gripping the cable and are more durable by far over switchcraft, which fall apart easily with rough handling. The one exception is the thin cables on snakes, where the neutrik chuck will not grip, and could cause the pins to pull out. A little shrink wrap or electrical tape at the chuck can fix that. I have noticed however, switchcraft connectors seem to be less prone to ground problems and possible hum introduced by microphone handling and poor grounding schemes. So it is nice to have a combination of both for different situations. For studio I would recommend the thin cables from Canare, Mogami, or Gepco for installed connections and standard cable for microphones. The heavier cables are only necessary for areas where extra damage protection is needed. It does nothing for the sound. Quad cables have higher capacitance than standard cables, but even at 1000 feet, the frequency drop is only about .1db at 20kHz. So nothing to worry about. I have never had problems with phantom power driving microphones at over 200ft of cable.
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/12 23:36:39
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I have several redco cables and I like them. I also have some really inexpensive cables from monoprice that works well too. I can't tell the difference in performance. I like them better than the overpriced cables hanging on the racks at music stores.
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Re:Best Microphone Cables for Home Studio
2013/05/15 06:22:19
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So as I posted earlier, I ordered from Redco, using the MIC-5 cable. It turns out that Redco did not have any of this cable in stock to complete my order. After a brief conversation with a representative from Redco named Mark, Redco has decided to substitute the Canare L-4E6S for the out of stock MIC-5 in an effort to complete and ship my order for an estimated arrival on Thursday of this week...same price. I spoke with Mark on Monday or Tuesday of this week. Redco's commitment to customer service is great and I am so happy with how they handled my order. If the cables are as good (and I am confident they will be) as their business model/customer service, then I believe I will be doing business with them from now on. I intend to build a studio space and will need to install permanent cables and wall plates and Redco will be supplier. Thank you Redco and thanks to all who led me in that direction. As a side note. I took the opportunity to look closer at the other offerings at Redco and wish I had done so before I placed my order with another company earlier. It turns out that Redco offers a lot of stuff and I did not know this when I placed my order for two Onstage SB9600. There pricing is very good. Now, in fairness to the other company, they have free shipping and a some other pluses, but Redco's price savings on one stand alone was $35.00. So don't just go to Redco for microphone cable...they have a lot more to offer. Oh, by the way...some of you know me from other forums and posts...and can attest to the fact that I don't work for Redco. I am just a guy starting out in an effort to record my own band and believe me if I was to get these cables and they were crap, I would report my finding to you immediately, but I am confident this will not be the case. I should be using these this weekend and will let you know my hands on opinions, thanks again.
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