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2012/10/26 19:10:39 (permalink)

Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz?

Apparently Sonar doesnt work with onboard sound.  For a laptop usb is the answer it seems.  Then I can use on other systems as well.  Any suggestions?  The onboard sound for playback now a days is as good as a lot of add ons so I dont understand why Sonar doesnt support.  Thanks very much.
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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/26 19:27:08 (permalink)
There are many. The Roland Capture series, I use the Octa-Capture, are very good and have very low latency. There are RME interfaces as well with just as good if not better performance. It all depends on what you want to spend.

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/26 19:46:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Dbuelle 2014/01/29 09:33:44
Thanks very much, I do own lots of Roland and Boss stuff, hoping the UX2 works well for input.  I just searched the Roland usb and saw one by Cakewalk, the V studio 20?   Anyway, ill check them all out.  and compare latency.  The hard card less latency i assume?  I havent dont this in years.  Thanks again i really appreciate it.
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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/26 22:06:50 (permalink)
If you've got firewire with your laptop there are other alternatives (check my footer), plus it can be more portable with different OS's. I'm not a big fan of USB for an external audio interface as there are too many USB standards to get in the way, and not all of them are implemented correctly by PC manufacturers. With firewire you're more than likely to have a more dedicated interface for the card (one device and one interface)... with USB you're plugging everything and the kitchen sink into it.

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 01:00:01 (permalink)
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Apparently Sonar doesnt work with onboard sound. .
Where did you get that? - It will work with onboard sound, but you are more likely to run into problems such as high latency, clicks and pops etc. with a realtek device that probably costs a few dollars to build onto a mother board than with a professional audio interface.
 
The most sutable interface will depend on what you want to do. I just replaced my PCIe ESRI Julia@ card, with a USB Roland Quad Capture. The main reason is for the improved interface options including the ability to connect microphones with phantom power.

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 01:15:11 (permalink)
Glyn - I just watched a video clip with some Roger Dean comments on the artwork you have posted as your profile pic.

Good stuff.

I would suggest doing some compatibility homework,should you choose to consider a Firewire interface, particularly using a laptop.

Firewire works great, and many have good Win 7 drivers, BUT there are potential hardware issues with SOME (not all) chip sets used for the Firewire on motherboards.  Because of the fact that this posted is going to use a laptop, I recommend either being careful to check the chip set compatibility FIRST (Saffire has a downloadable chip set compatibility checker) OR shop for a USB interface.

I have never had any issues with any USB-connected interface, EXCEPT where I accidentally used a USB 3.0 port and they had told me not to.

At the same time, I have nothing against using Firewire - just be careful as I indicated, due to potential chip set problems on the motherboard and the interface.

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 01:16:18 (permalink)
Oh , and Glyn - I just played along with Yours is No Disgrace and Starship Trooper this afternoon.  Felt good (I am a keyboard player).

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 01:27:37 (permalink)
I am going to Try a Line 6 UX2 since I have one here.  Has anyone used one before?  I just need some quarter to eighth adapters.  Or get a mixing board to use the other monitors and cabinets in here.   Thanks.  I havent done this sequencing stuff on PC since voyetra came out so I do appreciate any advise, thanks again.
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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 01:40:49 (permalink)
Onboard sound cards work fine. Your driver mode is probably not set up correctly. Try setting the driver mode to WDM. The only thing onboard sound cards will not do is low latency when trying to play soft synths using an external midi keyboard. 

The things you will get from a sound card designed for computer multi track audio recording is audio/midi inputs and outputs, and low latency for external midi keyboard playing of soft synths. 


If your gonna use the Line 6 UX2 set the driver mode in Sonar to ASIO. 
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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 02:08:09 (permalink)
Thanks WDI.  Mine is set to WDM/KS by default,  Triangular as well.  For the hell of it i tried rectangular and no luck.  Its weird because everything else works fine with sound, i just fired up something called Notation Composer dowloaded earlier that transcribes midi to sheet music and played the sound perfect.  I have read other posts where onboard just doesnt work but i believe its some thing i am missing.  I just tried something and get list of what is possible.  example of a line being "48000 Hz Chanels 1/2 Bits 16,24 [4 bytes] 32--OK",  i am wondering if that 32 means 32 bit os?  this is win 7 64.  I doubt it and its reffering to sound but.....   I havent used sound cards for years and yea onboard should work.  Im missing something.  thanks again.  Still no sound and first thing i did was check out Cakewalks faq but their solution is get a sound card they support.  
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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 02:31:12 (permalink)
As long as your driver mode is set to WDM I would think you should be fine. I think triangular is referring to dither? And shouldn't matter. Make sure your latency buffer slider is set in the middle and your default sample rate for new projects is set to 44. Open a new project, import an audio file and see if sonar plays. If not, I'm not really sure. This is the world of computers and nothing seems to be certain unfortunately. 

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 04:29:52 (permalink)
Yea I agree, im wonering if they work with the most common being Dells or other prepackaged and since the Motherboard manufactures got crazy exotic they couldnt keep up?  who knows.  I have been doing the import and play midi files that every other cheap program plays fine on same system.  I try it after to make sure its real .mid.  Thanks much for youre info.  I will try it tommorrow and reinstall drivers, if not the ux2 run through and amp just to see if it will work.  Thanks again
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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 04:36:04 (permalink)
Dither only comes into play when you're exporting a mix from a higher to a lower bit rate (24 to 16 for example)

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 05:13:22 (permalink)
Actually its a midi file downloaded from a sheet music site, Notation.com has a link to it.  For what they charge they should handle what ever range is possible haha.   I tried a few midi files that the other programs play fine, even windows media.  Probably a driver.  Could even be a driver/firmware that I downloaded for motherboard since purchase and Cakewalk didnt get around to or who knows if they are on the list of mb manufacturers like nvidea, etc.  to edit their code if needed.  I have upated the mb on this thing every time there is update.  Sonar picks up the usb camera it doesn't work with and splashes message, so  maybe they didnt get caught up with this mb's ver.  or I better check mine haha.  Maybe I lagged on firmware update.   Again thanks.  Ill try this ux2.  Ill try different system too.
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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 06:06:54 (permalink)
Not sure I'm following this correctly as I've been known to not understand the problem being explained. But I think the problem may be your not setting up Sonar correctly to play a midi track. Your sound card configuration in Sonar may be fine. First, instead of a midi file try importing an audio file and see if Sonar plays. If it does then you should look up inserting a soft synth in Sonars help files. Sonar is a little more complex than a program that plays midi using General Midi sounds. This is a good thing because it produces better sound and is much more powerful. 

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 10:13:22 (permalink)
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Apparently Sonar doesnt work with onboard sound.  For a laptop usb is the answer it seems.  Then I can use on other systems as well.  Any suggestions?  The onboard sound for playback now a days is as good as a lot of add ons so I dont understand why Sonar doesnt support.  Thanks very much.

Actually Sonar will of course work with an onboard card.. but why would you?... No onboard sound card is remotely capable of matching a quality external usb soundcard.. you can read the specs and think they are equivalent..but the results will be night as day... :)
 
For an external usb sound module you should state your budget first and foremost.. but expect $15o'ish as a ggod baseline for a 2in 2out external usb2.0 with decent pre-amps, xlr input jacks and balanced 1/4 outputs

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 12:38:39 (permalink)
I use the internal soundcard on my HP laptop for editing and all non-audio-converter playing around.  Personally, I never could get Sonar to work with it, BUT.....

I downloaded and installed ASIO4ALL, set Sonar to ASIO and it's been working fine ever since.


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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 14:11:44 (permalink)
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Apparently Sonar doesnt work with onboard sound.  For a laptop usb is the answer it seems.  Then I can use on other systems as well.  Any suggestions?  The onboard sound for playback now a days is as good as a lot of add ons so I dont understand why Sonar doesnt support.  Thanks very much.

Actually Sonar will of course work with an onboard card.. but why would you?... No onboard sound card is remotely capable of matching a quality external usb soundcard.. you can read the specs and think they are equivalent..but the results will be night as day... :)
If you are just composing using the mouse with soft synths and using loops an onboard sound card should be fine. Your sound card will have no bearing on the sound of the mix down. 

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 14:15:33 (permalink)
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Apparently Sonar doesnt work with onboard sound.  For a laptop usb is the answer it seems.  Then I can use on other systems as well.  Any suggestions?  The onboard sound for playback now a days is as good as a lot of add ons so I dont understand why Sonar doesnt support.  Thanks very much.

Actually Sonar will of course work with an onboard card.. but why would you?... No onboard sound card is remotely capable of matching a quality external usb soundcard.. you can read the specs and think they are equivalent..but the results will be night as day... :)
If you are just composing using the mouse with soft synths and using loops an onboard sound card should be fine. Your sound card will have no bearing on the sound of the mix down. 

your sound card has every bearing on what you hear when you are mixing.

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 15:31:34 (permalink)
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your sound card has every bearing on what you hear when you are mixing. 


I think you know what I mean. It doesn't matter if you have an Apogee or Realtek, it has no bearing on what Sonar does when exporting the audio. 

Seems like everyone is like dude just get a real sound card. The problems he is describing may have nothing to do with the sound card and that Shreddi may be perfectly happy with the onboard sound card. Shreddi should try and get things working before running out and buying a sound card. 


To me it sounds like Shreddi might no be inserting a synth but just pasting midi to a midi track. 

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Re:Best USB souncar for Sonar proucer x2 plz? 2012/10/27 16:02:40 (permalink)
I remember this from a while ago and found it interesting...

http://www.ethanwiner.com/soundcards.html

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