Best plan of attack

Author
Westside Steve
Max Output Level: -75 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 794
  • Joined: 2007/04/08 03:57:43
  • Location: Norton Ohio
  • Status: offline
2012/12/03 17:14:24 (permalink)

Best plan of attack

OK guys, I was the one looking at a Sweetwater CS.
Don't care if I go with them or not. I'd likely call Jim or Scott.
My own computer is a Gateway with an Intel Core 2 duo Quad chip that says it runs at 240.
OK I don't know anything abouyt this stuff but will an i7 @ 450  be more powerful or just faster or both?
And how much faster or better?
Right now I have 4 G ram and runniing Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.
 
I'd like a new computer but I balk mainly because I dread Windows 8 and having to reinstall everything.
I use Sonar X1P but own X2P and plan to install on the new computer.
Also Sony Vegas Pro 12 waiting to go.
I also own the V 700 system and have no idea when Win 8 drivers will be released.
 
So do I wait?
 
Should I replace my HD (500) with a faster 500 and my file drive (500) with a faster 1T and add 4 mor G Ram?
I assume I can restopre the new drives with Windows backup. I do keep an updated image file.
 
Opinions fellows?
 
Thank you so much.
WSS
#1

10 Replies Related Threads

    Jim Roseberry
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 9871
    • Joined: 2004/03/23 11:34:51
    • Location: Ohio
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 10:33:31 (permalink)
    Hi Steve,

    The Core2Quad is still a decent CPU.
    That said, the i7 3770k or 3820 at 4.5GHz are *significantly* more powerful/fast.
    In particular, you'll be able to run substantial loads (glitch-free) at the smallest ASIO buffer size (48-samples in your particular case).  You'll be able to run multiple convolution reverbs without bringing the machine to its knees.

    If you don't enjoy testing, I'd recommend sitting out Win8x64 for the next 6-12 months.
    That's not to say it doesn't work...
    But... you're inviting a lot of potential issues with such a new OS.
    BIOS updates, core hardware driver updates, firmware and driver updates for audio specific hardware, and updates for the OS itself are all necessary for a rock-solid DAW platform.  Win7 isn't going away anytime soon... so I'd play it safe and use Win7x64.

    If you plan on running Vegas 12 Pro:
    I'd want 16GB of RAM, a video card that'll (significantly) help with processing/rendering, and I'd want newer/faster/larger HDs.  If you'll be working a lot with video, I'd also want a BDR for longer-term backup of data.

    FWIW, Vegas 12 can be a little flakey (crashes more than X2 )... so I'd definitely recommend avoiding Win8 (for the time being).

    For backup of the OS drive, I wouldn't want to rely on Windows backup.
    IMO, That's a process best done outside the OS.
    Both Paragon and True Image allow using a Bootable Disc to create/restore any backup image file.  This is a very clean/lean approach to backup/restore (no scheduling services, etc running in the background).

    Best Regards,

    Jim Roseberry
    jim@studiocat.com
    www.studiocat.com
    #2
    slartabartfast
    Max Output Level: -22.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 5289
    • Joined: 2005/10/30 01:38:34
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 13:35:05 (permalink)
    Right now I have 4 G ram and runniing Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.



    You do not say why you would like a new computer. The use of a 64 bit windows with that small amount of memory is not completely rational. The 64 bit system uses up some extra memory. That is usually a fair trade if you have more physical memory to access with 64 bit.  That suggests that your machine may have some memory expansion capacity, and if you are finding your current machine limited, then adding some more memory may be very cost effective.


    Of course if you just want a new machine, most suppliers  can provide you with a preinstalled Win  7, but you probably have to ask, and may have to pay a premium. And you can get a Windows 8 upgrade to a newly purchased computer with Win 7 installed by the manufacturer for $14.95 for a limited time. You can buy the Win 8 upgrade, and wait to install it later when the bugs are worked out, saving another chunk of change.
    #3
    Westside Steve
    Max Output Level: -75 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 794
    • Joined: 2007/04/08 03:57:43
    • Location: Norton Ohio
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 15:28:22 (permalink)
    Yeah I'd like a new one.
    Reason for the short amount of RAM is that I'd used XP Vista and 7 32 bit.
    I'd purchased and installed another 4 RAM right after I got it.
    It barely worked, glitching and freezing and bluescreen etc etc.
    Gateway techs came out a few times (I did get the extra warranty) and replaced the MB to no avail. Crucial semnt me more ram sticks .....No good.

    Finally a friend said that putting more RAM in a 32 bit machine would make everything hinky.
    I bought Windows 7 64 and haven't added more RAM yet.

    But as I think a couple hundred bucks for RAM a couple more for more HDs etc I might as well spend a couple grand and have all kinds of updated stuff.

    If I can find those old RAM sticks I may stick em in.
    But everything else could stand an upodate.

    I'm at least waiting a little while, I have a couple projects in the works.

    WSS
    #4
    Westside Steve
    Max Output Level: -75 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 794
    • Joined: 2007/04/08 03:57:43
    • Location: Norton Ohio
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 15:32:28 (permalink)
    Thanks Jim!
    Sounds rational.

    You in Columbus?

    As to Acronis, I bought that a while ago and also bought the update.
    Unfortunately there was as widespread problem backing up a 64 bit machine.
    I tried often and it just hits a snag and hangs.
    All sorts of stuff I couldn'rt understand on their forum. I just want it to work when I press the button.
    Maybe it's better now?

    WSS
    #5
    Goddard
    Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 338
    • Joined: 2012/07/21 11:39:11
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 18:00:15 (permalink)
    Geez, Norton? Used to canoe down the Tuscarawas near there years ago. They still "jamming" over in Orrville?

    Westside, you can't have a Core 2 "duo quad" chip, it's either a duo (2 core) or quad (4 core). Should be able to tell how many cores from the performance tab display in task manager, although if it's a hyper-threading chip then double the cores may show up, but in any case your chip should be identified in device manager, like E6600 (E = 2 cores) or Q6600 (Q = 4 cores). 

    Were you thinking of Windows Recovery? Or Windows Backup? Recovery can make a startup/recovery disc so you can restore your backed up (imaged) system data but there are better alternatives.

    Anyway, see the recent Acronis thread started by Fireberd for links to some other utilities.
    #6
    Jim Roseberry
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 9871
    • Joined: 2004/03/23 11:34:51
    • Location: Ohio
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 18:02:07 (permalink)
    Hi Steve,

    Yes, just outside of Columbus.

    Regarding True Image, I use it all the time.
    2012 and now 2013
    Works great
    If you get a retail copy, the install disc is also a Bootable Rescue Disc... so you don't have to do anything but boot the machine from that disc and create/restore your backups.

    Best Regards,

    Jim Roseberry
    jim@studiocat.com
    www.studiocat.com
    #7
    Westside Steve
    Max Output Level: -75 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 794
    • Joined: 2007/04/08 03:57:43
    • Location: Norton Ohio
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 21:19:51 (permalink)
    Ahhhh yes it was the gray matter glitching.
    I'd looked at system and remembered incorrectly.
    It reads
    Intel (R) Core (TM) 2 Quad.
    It was the 2 that got me.
    Q6600 right?

    Well Jim I had Acronis 10 and then 11.
    10 worked great and IIRC 11 hung.
    I just bought a new external drive, maybe I'll get 13 and give them another shot.

    Goddard yes. As a matter of fact Orrville has more small businesses than any other community of it's size, or that's what they say.
    Smuckers is the big dog.

    I'm originally from Carroll County where the Tuscarawas runs.

    And the ill fated Sandy and Beaver canal.

    Best
    WSS

    post edited by Westside Steve - 2012/12/04 21:23:23
    #8
    rtucker55
    Max Output Level: -53.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2177
    • Joined: 2005/06/20 21:11:47
    • Location: Hope, Indiana
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/04 21:30:39 (permalink)
    +1 for True Image Bootable Rescue Disc.

    It has saved my butt several times plus allowed me to xfer my system disk from hdd to ssd without a hitch. Worth every cent and best insurance value you can buy.

    Kind regards,
    Rick

    Purrrfect Audio DAW here.  Wow!...
    #9
    Goddard
    Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 338
    • Joined: 2012/07/21 11:39:11
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/05 05:03:47 (permalink)
    WSS, Q6600 quad sounds likely, it was a very capable and popular cpu for DAWs in its day, especially the later G0 stepping version, and many here used it (and still do).

    You're fortunate in that Jim is so close by.

    Unfortunately, I have to avoid Franklin county, as I have a record there.



    Oh. wait, I think it might be... my birth certificate...
    #10
    fireberd
    Max Output Level: -38 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 3704
    • Joined: 2008/02/25 14:14:28
    • Location: Inverness, FL
    • Status: offline
    Re:Best plan of attack 2012/12/05 06:39:10 (permalink)
    I've used Acronis TI for several years/versions, used the Linux bootable disc, rebuilt hard drives, etc.  I also recommend it to my clients (and most are using it).  With my new build PC, for some reason, the Linux version of the Bootable rescure disc (2012 Plus Pack and 2013 versions) would not load correctly most of the time (no mouse control for one problem, somtimes it would just show errors) and when I could get it to initialize with mouse control I could select the backup that I wanted to use to restore from a USB connected hard drive but it would not allow selecting the target drive when trying to rebuild a disc from a backup.  I had to build a WinPE/Acronis bootable rescue disc to be able to rebuild/restore a drive from a backup.

    I am not alone with this, according to response from one of the "guru's" on the Acronis forum.  It is a known issue with some hardware configurations.

    "GCSG Productions"
    Franklin D-10 Pedal Steel Guitar (primary instrument). Nashville Telecaster, Bass, etc. 
    ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero M/B, i7 6700K CPU, 16GB Ram, SSD and conventional hard drives, Win 10 Pro and Win 10 Pro Insider Pre-Release
    Sonar Platinum/CbB. MOTU 896MK3 Hybrid, Tranzport, X-Touch, JBL LSR308 Monitors,  
    Ozone 5,  Studio One 4.1
    ISRC Registered
    Member of Nashville based R.O.P.E. Assn.
    #11
    Jump to:
    © 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1