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2017/03/06 17:50:46 (permalink)

Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths?

Hey, folks!
 
I do a lot of sound work for my church, and it looks like it'd smart for us to invest in some better synths than what Logic comes with.
 
Does anyone have any good recommendations on some sort of "all in one" synths and sound libraries for instruments like bass, piano, e. piano, and strings, plus some orchestral woodwinds and percussions and stuff? We're not looking to compose whole symphonies, but I would like to look at something that sounds reasonably realistic and gives a lot of function for the money. We mostly do stuff with vocal solos/duets and choirs. 
 
We do NOT have a specific budget, but everything else we're able to afford (monitor stands, a new table, MIDI controller) will be directly dependent on how much we decide to spend on AU instruments. I've used Kontakt before and LOVED it, but I think it and the good libraries will end up coming in at a bit too much to be able to continue to fund the other components we need.
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/06 18:13:13 (permalink)
Garritan GPO 5 or the new Kirk Hunter Virtuoso Ensembles. Maybe even Sampletank 3. Maybe. Even.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/06 19:16:11 (permalink)
Omnisphere.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/06 19:45:02 (permalink)
I would start with AIR Xpand!2 for a buck, just $1, and go from there.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/virtual-instruments/air-xpand2
 
It's a 4-part multitimbral all-in-one workstation, use layered, or split to 4 separate MIDI channels. Compatible with AU and VST.
http://www.airmusictech.com/product/xpand2
 
2500+ total presets and parts in the following categories:
  • Soft Pads
  • Bright Pads
  • Huge Pads
  • Action Pads
  • Ambience and FX
  • Polysynths
  • Synth Brass
  • Percussive
  • Simple Arpeggios
  • Multitrack Arpeggios
  • Soft Leads
  • Hard Leads
  • Acoustic Piano
  • E-Pianos and Clavinet
  • Organs
  • Strings
  • Vocals
  • Brass and Woodwinds
  • Mallets
  • Bells
  • Guitars
  • Ethnic
  • Hits
  • Synth Basses
  • Basses
  • Drums
  • Percussion
  • Loops
  • Multitimbral
 
 
 
 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/06 21:15:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/07 00:06:57
Yep, that must be the best generalist buck bang.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/06 23:34:15 (permalink)
WOW! Xpand2 is AMAZING! Kontakt is definitely the very best in its field, but at the cost of Xpand2, and for how it sounds / what it can do, it's certainly where I'm putting my money.
Thanks for the recom, abacab!
 
And thank you other guys for checking out the thread. What a deal!
 
I'll definitely be adding a couple more sound libraries - namely, piano (as the provided piano sounds aren't *quite* as good as what I'm looking for). So cool, I'm mega-excited! Buying two licenses as we speak 

 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 00:08:51 (permalink)
davdud101
WOW! Xpand2 is AMAZING! Kontakt is definitely the very best in its field, but at the cost of Xpand2, and for how it sounds / what it can do, it's certainly where I'm putting my money.
Thanks for the recom, abacab!
 
And thank you other guys for checking out the thread. What a deal!
 
I'll definitely be adding a couple more sound libraries - namely, piano (as the provided piano sounds aren't *quite* as good as what I'm looking for). So cool, I'm mega-excited! Buying two licenses as we speak 



And then you can get the AIR Complete for $62.99 at JRR and have EVERYTHING!
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 00:44:20 (permalink)
cclarry
 
And then you can get the AIR Complete for $62.99 at JRR and have EVERYTHING!
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Great idea larry, I'll look into that. Just emailed the person handling budget to see if this'll get a approved... but in the meantime, might as well look at picking up my own expansion pack as well 

 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 01:27:53 (permalink)
You can also get the free Kontakt 5 Player here: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/samplers/kontakt-5-player/
 
There is a free sound library with 650 MB of premium sounds and 50 instruments for the free Kontakt 5 Player: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/samplers/kontakt-5-player/kontakt-factory-selection/
 
If you do find that you need to broaden your sound library, there are also some good NI instruments, and some 3rd party instruments that you can buy, that are compatible with the Kontakt 5 player version.  So you don't necessarily have to upgrade to the full Kontakt version.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 02:52:34 (permalink)
cclarry
 
And then you can get the AIR Complete for $62.99 at JRR and have EVERYTHING!
Use code GROUP at Checkout...
https://www.jrrshop.com/a...-pack-complete-upgrade

Actually Larry, does this pack also come with an ADDITIONAL license for Xpand? Haha, I should've noticed that before I bought the one-dollar licenses... save me two bucks, eh?
 
 
abacab
You can also get the free Kontakt 5 Player here: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/samplers/kontakt-5-player/

I've always wondered about Kontakt player - does it also work with all standard Kontakt soundsets like the full version does? What are the limitations - given that the one of them is free?

 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 02:58:55 (permalink)
davdud101
 
I've always wondered about Kontakt player - does it also work with all standard Kontakt soundsets like the full version does? What are the limitations - given that the one of them is free?




I have the Kontakt Player, not the full version.  Many Kontakt libraries require the FULL version to work.  But there are some made specifically for the Player version.  You need to check the system requirements for any package you are interested in to see if it is compatible with the Player.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 03:09:34 (permalink)
According to the NI website "All of NI's KONTAKT instruments run in the free KONTAKT PLAYER and do not require the full version of the software."
 
Here is a list of NI soundsets "Powered by Kontakt":
https://www.native-instru...earch=poweredbykontakt
 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 15:14:43 (permalink)
If your looking for a good all-around virtual instrument, checkout HALion Sonic 3 (just released).
It's the Vi equivalent to a Montage/Kronos hardware workstation.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 15:36:09 (permalink)
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cclarry
 
And then you can get the AIR Complete for $62.99 at JRR and have EVERYTHING!
Use code GROUP at Checkout...
https://www.jrrshop.com/a...-pack-complete-upgrade

Actually Larry, does this pack also come with an ADDITIONAL license for Xpand? Haha, I should've noticed that before I bought the one-dollar licenses... save me two bucks, eh?
 
 


You need the $1 Xpand Serial # for this upgrade....you have one instrument
to get this upgrade price


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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/07 20:18:57 (permalink)
+1 Omnisphere + Keyscape
 
There are even whole groups that exist for worship based in Omnisphere that you might find a home at which  people from Hillsong United to Planetshakers post also on:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OmnisphereWorshipSounds/
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/08 00:09:10 (permalink)
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+1 Omnisphere + Keyscape
 
There are even whole groups that exist for worship based in Omnisphere that you might find a home at which  people from Hillsong United to Planetshakers post also on:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OmnisphereWorshipSounds/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/KeyscapeWorshipSounds/


I would argue against this choice (or these choices if you prefer).  The OP wants conventional instruments and Omnisphere really excels at more exotic stuff.  Try to find a solo cello, for example, in Omni and all you will get are weird (in a good way, but weird) approximations.  HALion is much better at supplying conventional ensemble (real world) instruments. 
 
I know nothing about the AIR option (but it frankly sounds way too good to be real). 
 
Some here would argue against my final recommendation, I know, but IKM Sample Tank SE can be had for 99 bucks (less probably if the right sale comes along).  It's got a good selection of instruments out of the gate and add-on libraries of all sorts can be purchased over time to add to its capabilities.
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/08 00:47:37 (permalink)
dmbaer
 
HALion is much better at supplying conventional ensemble (real world) instruments. 
 
I know nothing about the AIR option (but it frankly sounds way too good to be real).



Halion Sonic 3 looks good, but the $250 entry point, or $350 for the full version of Halion 6, is still steep for a tight budget.  But it may be cheaper vs. Kontakt if you add up the cost of several Kontakt libraries to get the equivalent sounds.
 
The AIR stuff is actually very good, and the recent sale prices are hard to believe, but they are for real.  AIR Music Tech is a German development group that has provided the instrument bundle that has been an exclusive Avid Pro Tools feature for years.  Since inMusic has acquired AIR, they have been marketing these instruments in VST and AU formats.  Some of their interfaces are dated, like some of the older Cakewalk plugins, but for the price, the sounds are hard to beat! 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/08 01:49:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2017/04/11 00:32:21
Here's an interesting article from SOS back in 2011. "Steinberg Halion Sonic"
http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/steinberg-halion-sonic
 
It seems that the predecessor of Halion was Steinberg's Hypersonic, developed by Wizoo (AIR Music Technology started as Wizoo Sound Design).  However, by the time it came out, it was already clear that Hypersonic 2 was likely to be the final version, as Wizoo had been taken over by Steinberg's rivals Avid. Much of the original Hypersonic content would soon reappear as the free Xpand! plug‑in bundled with Pro Tools, but that was the end as far as Cubase and other VST or AU‑format hosts were concerned.

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/08 15:53:32 (permalink)
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dmbaer
 
HALion is much better at supplying conventional ensemble (real world) instruments. 
 
I know nothing about the AIR option (but it frankly sounds way too good to be real).



Halion Sonic 3 looks good, but the $250 entry point, or $350 for the full version of Halion 6, is still steep for a tight budget.  But it may be cheaper vs. Kontakt if you add up the cost of several Kontakt libraries to get the equivalent sounds.
 
The AIR stuff is actually very good, and the recent sale prices are hard to believe, but they are for real.  AIR Music Tech is a German development group that has provided the instrument bundle that has been an exclusive Avid Pro Tools feature for years.  Since inMusic has acquired AIR, they have been marketing these instruments in VST and AU formats.  Some of their interfaces are dated, like some of the older Cakewalk plugins, but for the price, the sounds are hard to beat! 


Ditto, Between the Air and Sonivox deals lately, I've topped off my instrument collection significantly. Awesome sounds at insane prices.  The Air Fx are really good too.
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/08 20:18:30 (permalink)
Have I already spouted off on this thread? If these are good enough for your purposes is open for debate, but lots of free VSTi stuff including pianos. Note turn the volume down on the pianos if they distort, my bad I should have normalized them lower.
 
http://bcvsts.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-gm-soundset.html
Newer version of the VSCO2 Chamber orchestra
http://bigcatinstruments.blogspot.com/2017/02/vsco2-rompler.html
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 02:59:43 (permalink)
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Have I already spouted off on this thread? If these are good enough for your purposes is open for debate, but lots of free VSTi stuff including pianos. Note turn the volume down on the pianos if they distort, my bad I should have normalized them lower.
 
http://bcvsts.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-gm-soundset.html
Newer version of the VSCO2 Chamber orchestra
http://bigcatinstruments.blogspot.com/2017/02/vsco2-rompler.html
 




I'll look at those, bigcatt! I've tried quite a few freeware VST's like this - a lot of them are quite good, and SoundFont stuff is usually pretty decent before wanting something more realistic. BUt
I've found that generally all the free libraries do REALLY badly with winds instruments, and the strings only barely meet my expectations when people rave about 'em and rate them highly. To each, his own, I guess!
 
Having used Kontakt, Halion Sonic, and now Xpand, I don't think the freeware stuff will ever do it for me again - at least not when it comes to organic instruments. 

 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 04:01:08 (permalink)
I tend to agree. I definitely consider what I do to be 'intro' instruments.
 
For pianos you might try googling the free Piano in 162 and the Estate Grand LE both are available for sfz. Sorry I know I'm getting away from an all in one instrument. I just really like pianos. And they are quite good.
 
Oh and this guy does really nice bass sfzs as he is a pro bass player.
http://www.karoryfer.com/karoryfer-samples
 
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 04:38:09 (permalink)
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Omnisphere.


That's the best answer, by a mile...
I own so much stuff I'd have to triple my sig to begin to fit it all in... if I had to choose letting 90 percent of it go or losing Omnisphere, I wouldn't blink... It's O all the way.  I might go so far as say I wouldn't trade it for all the rest!
 
Expansion is endless with the best guru's making amazing new sounds/samples... at a reasonable cost vs the high cost of each Kontakt library I own...
 
Omnisphere is one of a kind, beyond anything else, and all else pales in comparison... spend some time googling pluginguru omnisphere2 vids or just go to skippy's site.
 
And you can add to the platform with Keyscape {not for me personally but widely heralded as the greatest collection of keys ever assembled}

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 06:01:04 (permalink)
I have Omnisphere v1 and love it but it's way more complex than just an "entry level rompler" - and it favors the esoteric over the "bread and butter" sounds.
 
I'd highly recommend Xpand for a measly $1, or even twenty times that. It has a ton of usable sounds, and they are nicely categorized. Sounds great, less filling. Put some fun effects and delays and warbly things on top of the sounds, and you are off and running.
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 13:19:47 (permalink)
I hear what you guys are saying by "bread and butter" sounds, but honestly, I end up using Omni in every track, and I rarely can't find what I'm looking for. Granted, for full orchestra, I'm going to reach for Play or Kontakt, but there are quite a few brass and string patches in Omni that sound great, and you can create your own patches from the included sources or add your own. Those Xpand! sounds remind me of older SoundCanvas type stuff.
 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 16:12:29 (permalink)
Do you already have Kontakt? I don't know your time frame, but some years on the summer sale you can upgrade from free Drum'ica to full Kontakt for $125. Now the factory library isn't brilliant but for that price you get a ton of 'OK' stuff. Plus Kontakt has a ton of freebies, I personally think the Alpine project instruments are very nice for orchestral type instruments. I've done a couple church pipe organs for Kontakt that I do think rise above just OK. There are gaps, but I think with Kontakt and freebies and keeping an eye out for sales you can assemble a pretty solid sound for a couple hundred bucks. Sales are your big friend as for instance I picked up the old but nice Kirk Hunter Diamond Orchestra for a little over a hundred. While not everyone's taste it is a pro level 75 gig orchestra.
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 16:43:27 (permalink)
Here's another cool deal for just $1.
 
SONiVOX Orchestral Companion Strings
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/virtual-instruments/sonivox-orchestral-companion-strings
 
The SONiVOX design team has produced over 90 outstanding string programs, each one meticulously crafted to deliver as accurate and convincing an experience as possible. Your productions deserve nothing less.
There is a comprehensive collection of full orchestral string ensembles, which are fantastic for background string parts or quickly sketching out an orchestral score. But we also offer you also a full array of individual string sections so you can really customize and polish your final creation by building things up section by section. The key is flexibility—you can compose and create on as detailed a level as you'd like. All sections are fully represented, including 1st violins, 2nd violins, violas, cellos and contra basses. Up and down bow bowing, sustain, staccato, and spiccato notes, plus instrument pizzicato and tremolo articulations provide the depth of content needed for convincing ensemble string parts and tracks.
 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/09 23:13:05 (permalink)
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Here's another cool deal for just $1.
 
SONiVOX Orchestral Companion Strings
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/virtual-instruments/sonivox-orchestral-companion-strings
 All sections are fully represented, including 1st violins, 2nd violins, violas, cellos and contra basses. Up and down bow bowing, sustain, staccato, and spiccato notes, plus instrument pizzicato and tremolo articulations provide the depth of content needed for convincing ensemble string parts and tracks.
 

Couldn't help it - at that cost, I bought two licenses for my two machines.
 
Up and down bowing is SUPER important to me with strings synths. It's taking a minute to download, so I'll go ahead and ask- and I didn't look crazy-hard into it before purchasing (but like I said, no loss whatsoever at $1), but are you able to, for example, route one MIDI channel to one set of instruments? (I probably said it wrong as I don't have SONAR in front of me right now, but I mean like in Xpand where you have four separate MIDI channels, each of which can have it's own separate instrument and MIDI track)?
 
The last thing that would've made Xpand!2 a KILLER piece of software was if each of the four channels could further be individually routed out to other audio tracks/busses for processing without the whole thing having only one output. Still amazing software!!
 
Yikes! Hopefully my bank acct doesn't start looking a bit thin from all these $1 deals. Gotta save a little for the expensive stuff too! 

 
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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 00:07:39 (permalink)
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Here's another cool deal for just $1.
 
SONiVOX Orchestral Companion Strings
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/virtual-instruments/sonivox-orchestral-companion-strings
 All sections are fully represented, including 1st violins, 2nd violins, violas, cellos and contra basses. Up and down bow bowing, sustain, staccato, and spiccato notes, plus instrument pizzicato and tremolo articulations provide the depth of content needed for convincing ensemble string parts and tracks.
 

Couldn't help it - at that cost, I bought two licenses for my two machines.
 
Up and down bowing is SUPER important to me with strings synths. It's taking a minute to download, so I'll go ahead and ask- and I didn't look crazy-hard into it before purchasing (but like I said, no loss whatsoever at $1), but are you able to, for example, route one MIDI channel to one set of instruments? (I probably said it wrong as I don't have SONAR in front of me right now, but I mean like in Xpand where you have four separate MIDI channels, each of which can have it's own separate instrument and MIDI track)?
 
The last thing that would've made Xpand!2 a KILLER piece of software was if each of the four channels could further be individually routed out to other audio tracks/busses for processing without the whole thing having only one output. Still amazing software!!
 
Yikes! Hopefully my bank acct doesn't start looking a bit thin from all these $1 deals. Gotta save a little for the expensive stuff too! 




Just to let know, you should get two activations with each license.  Perfect for a desktop and laptop combo.
 
The SONiVOX instruments are not multi-timbral, so you would need to insert multiple instances into your project, one for each MIDI channel/sound.  But is is light enough so that should not be an issue unless you are running an old computer.
 
For Xpand!2, say for example if you insert 4 instances of the VST and group related instruments into the 4 Xpand!2 VSTs, you have 16 total channels of MIDI and four audio ports.  So you can manage and process the audio out from each group of 4 sounds separately in the DAW.  For example, this may be most useful for processing the percussion separate from the other instruments, by placing the percussion in one instance of the VST.
 
Yup, big bang for the buck!!! 

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Re: Best "all-in-one" sound libraries / synths? 2017/03/10 04:19:25 (permalink)
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Omnisphere.

That's the best answer, by a mile...
I own so much stuff I'd have to triple my sig to begin to fit it all in... if I had to choose letting 90 percent of it go or losing Omnisphere, I wouldn't blink... It's O all the way.  I might go so far as say I wouldn't trade it for all the rest!



I have seen Omnisphere recommended enough times that I will add it to my "buy" list.
How does one go about getting a good deal on it and what kind of price is considered a good deal?
Perhaps they do a Black Friday deal? (I can wait for a good deal).
 
 
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