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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/05 22:38:53 (permalink)
Good stuff for sure.

Tell me, is this attached track a real piano or a synth?

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/05 22:39:37 (permalink)
Hey HV

I play classical guitar and would like to attempt Belle of Havana as a guitar piece. It's a kick to try duplicating the 88's on 6 strings. What collection did you get that from? Also, do you think Jean Chatillon would turn over if I played his piece?

Great job and a very nice piano.

All the best!
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/05 23:58:18 (permalink)
The Piano Patches in Reason 2.5 NN19/XT sound great to me personally. I have tried the Cakewalk TTS synth and a few others, but Reason Acoustic Sampler sounds jus blew me away. If you got Reason, jus give it a shot if u want to.

Cant really comment on the ones the gurus here are recommending, i havent tried them yet myself. Its your decision finally though.
post edited by Viz - 2005/08/06 00:04:39
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/06 10:54:49 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Jimtoonz

Go here: http://www.purgatorycreek.com/ and click on digital piano shootout. A large number of solutions, both software and hardware, are featured playing the same MIDI piece. It will give you some ideas about what might work well for your music.



Wow,
thanks for the link Jim. Is it just me or is the Motif full grand incredible?

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/06 11:27:28 (permalink)

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/06 11:48:46 (permalink)
Hi Michael,
True, the Disklavier has the same limits as any other MIDI controlled equipment, but it's acoustic. So it's real; not realistic. The sound isn't limited by the fidelity of a recording. It's also worth mentioning that, at least the Disklaviers, have high-quality digital samples. So you can get acoutic piano with digital accompaniment. I haven't ever worked with a Disklavier or similar system, so cannot say what is fact and what is myth or where there might be room for improvement, such as autotuning or proprietary sampling/playback technology. Every piano is different, of course, and the best result is only obtained if the MIDI is created on the instrument it plays on.
I visited a local dealer to learn about the MarkIV and she played one of my MIDI files ( from http://www.cdbaby.com/ritchie) on it. It was the one and only time I ever heard Joplin's "FigLeaf Rag" played acoustically and at the intended tempo. It was a unique experience. For reasons I am currently trying to figure out, some of the playback of other pieces didn't produce any sound, even on pieces using only patch #1. All my MIDI files play a YAMAHA P120 and also with WINDOWS Media Player, although "Stoptime Rag" requires a custom sample for the foot-stamp for a proper rendition. Still, all-in-all, IMO, the P120 patch#1 sample has the right amount of distortion for ragtime, which developed on less than concert grands.
Here's some YAMAHA PR about film and music:
http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/PressReleaseDetail/0,,CNTID%253D31322%2526CTID%253D%2526CNTYP%253DNEWS,00.html . It does not say the Disklavier was used in the soundtrack, but doesn't really explain. There's really very little first hand information about these systems.
MIDI makes it easy to add additional instuments or change tempo too.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/11 22:49:51 (permalink)
Would you please post the link for the piano soundfont again? Thanks.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/11 23:37:10 (permalink)
Bosendorfer 290 has a great sound but you better have a fast machine because it chews up the machine on the better settings. Since my old 2ghz Chip isn't getting it done with the newer software so I'm looking to buy a new computer of the shelf andf expand the memory. Any suggestions?
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/11 23:52:23 (permalink)
The PMI 290 is OK .. but I think I likethat way the "old lady" sounds ... Ed_Mcg used that on something I was using the 290 on and it
wasn't quite so aggressive . sounded fuller and lots of nice harmonics.
Yes, the Old Lady is still my overall favorite for the widest applications. PMI 290 is good for an agressive Beethoven kind of sound, White Grand is good for an agressive rock sound, Art Vista Malmsjö is nice for a soft / jazz / ballad. And so on ...

But, Old Lady can do most of that well without the brittleness of the Bose. imho, etc.
post edited by ed_mcg - 2005/08/11 23:57:54
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 00:59:39 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: michael japan

well gosh everyone-the one Jonas put up is much fuller than the big guy. Which just goes to show that bigger is not always better. I won't go into comparisons of all the other pianos, but I did compare it to the PMI Steinway D Classic and I will now erase both the 16 layer Steinway and the 1GB guy I just downloaded. Love your ears Jonas. Got any rhodes or wurlitzers? I have a real good rhodes that I posted some time back but I would like to have one with tremolo in the interface (I have lounge lizard and EVP 73-but the other one I have is fuller.)


Well said that bigger is not always better. It's funny, I have a few faves for piano (a sonic synth 1 steinway preset) and epiano (MDA ePiano) that are technically unipressive but that play well for my rock ballad style and sit perfectly in my mixes. I'm not talking solo playing here or a three piece jazz album so these are not "recommendations" for this thread, just an observation that technically inferior sounds can be "perfect" for some.

When I pull out some of the "big gun" sampled piano's to "improve" my mix, I almost always switch back to my familiar "old shoe" sounds.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 03:26:31 (permalink)
http://www.ilio.com/synthogy/ivory/

Have a listen to the Yamaha in this package.
I think it's exceptional.

I'm using Giga Piano(1) but I also have a Yamaha S90.
If I could easily sample the S90s 3Layer700 I would, and I'd be using it in a lot of situations
where I don't want to use the outboard piano.

Steve

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 07:01:21 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: jsaras

HERE is the best piano soundfont I've encountered anywhere. The price is right


Not bad.
Sounds Like a Steinway. Fat on the bottom, hollow in the middle, bright on top.
I found 1 bad loop point ... G#4, medium velocity, clicks if you hold it down long enough.
and the pedal down sustain is a bit on the unreal side.

Do you know of any way to edit these sound fonts?
With some modulation on the sustain it could be really good.

I tried converting it to .gig but both CDXtract and Translator have different problems with this one.


Steve



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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 07:27:43 (permalink)
I found 1 bad loop point ... G#4, medium velocity, clicks if you hold it down long enough.

What sampler do you use? I cannot hear the click with Kontakt 1.5. Actually the loop points are very well set on these samples imho.

FYI: I set crossfades between low and medium velocity to get smoother transitions. Don't crossfade below E1 though or you'll get phasing. Small overlap for headphone use and bigger overlap for monitor use, the latter resulting in slightly brighter sound at lower velocities.

Oh, and many thanks to jsaras for sharing. Love this one!

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 08:26:24 (permalink)
Well, I'm kinda collecting them now, what with GPO and these free downloads. I can see this becoming a compulsion, if I'm not careful!

I still like very much my original purchase, which was the 'LE' dry sample set from PMI of their Bosendorfer 290. This is just a sample set - - WAV files - no player - and I got it in Kontakt format to play through Kompakt (i.e there are NKI instrument definitions that bind the samples together).

It is pretty cheap, about a hundred bucks, I think. There are two LE sets you can purchase, wet and dry. The wet samples are too wet, the dry ones have just enough ambience to breathe nicely, you won't normally want to put any reverb on them.

Now, Michiel Post is a bit of a perfectionist so the samples are 24 bit recorded at 48KHz. This is overkill, so to bring the CPU load RIGHT down, I ran them through the (free) R8Brain sample convertor and produced a new set of 16 bit 44.1KHz samples, which I then simply had the NKI instrument definition point at in place of the original set (just move the originals away and load the NKI; it'll **** at you and ask where the samples went, just point to the new ones, and off you go, then re-save the NKI).

(I really cannot audibly tell the difference between these and the original samples, by the way.).

This gives me a very low overhead piano that plays back using DFD disk streaming under Kompakt and only uses a small amount of CPU - I have a T40 laptop (Pentium M 1.5G) with 1G Ram, and that's plenty of oomph. I don't get pops or clicks, ever.

The B290 is very cleanly and quietly recorded and works very well live, IMHO, and it's inspiring to play when you're just fooling around, too.

I don't know how well this would work as a VST using a hardware device like the MUSE receptor, but in theory this is the gigging musician's perfect solution. Although I did use the laptop live last gig, and it didn't let me down - but I have a GM master keyboard to fall back on, I wouldn't have the courage to try a totally computer-based setup. I work with the damned things as a professional software developer and there's just too much to go wrong. Unless you had TWO laptops, or something. Naw, it's just too scary....

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 10:53:41 (permalink)
i am curious to hear the new Native Instruments piano that will be released.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 11:09:54 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: dreamkeeper

I found 1 bad loop point ... G#4, medium velocity, clicks if you hold it down long enough.

What sampler do you use? I cannot hear the click with Kontakt 1.5. Actually the loop points are very well set on these samples imho.

FYI: I set crossfades between low and medium velocity to get smoother transitions. Don't crossfade below E1 though or you'll get phasing. Small overlap for headphone use and bigger overlap for monitor use, the latter resulting in slightly brighter sound at lower velocities.

Oh, and many thanks to jsaras for sharing. Love this one!

werner



I just loaded the .sf2 up quickly in VSampler.
I didn't make any changes to it.

Steve





post edited by Steve_Karl - 2005/08/12 11:15:06

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 13:28:23 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: PSPicker
I play classical guitar and would like to attempt Belle of Havana as a guitar piece. It's a kick to try duplicating the 88's on 6 strings. What collection did you get that from? Also, do you think Jean Chatillon would turn over if I played his piece?
Not familiar with Jean Chatillon but I can hook you up on the Belle of Havana. It's part of a limited distribution folio which a sheet music collector named Philip Stewart published from his private Charles L Johnson collection named "Rags and Other Riches" back in 1995. It includes 50 pieces and I think he sells it for about 25 or 30 bucks. Far as I know it's only available from him personally. His only contact info is : Philip A. Stewart, 610 E. Kaskaskia, Paola, KS ... he doesn't do e-mail, just snail mail... and I'd suggest sending a sase if you need a reply from him.

BTW, if the live performance midi file is of any use to you, it's on my web site. Not quantized or anything so a notation view would be pretty strange looking. But 19 of the tunes on the "AKA Charles Johnson" CD we just released come from Phillip's folio (all except Wedding of the Fairies) if you want to preview them to get an idea of other stuff in the folio.

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 13:42:54 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: stephenlnoe

Good stuff for sure.
Not recorded at Pearson's on a Nordiska by any chance?

Howard
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/12 15:13:33 (permalink)
mmm. the little soundfont one has a very nice even sound but the release envelopes aren't right - they decay too slowly. Tried to figure out how to change this in Kompakt but can't seem to do this - went through the various groups but changing any envelope screws up the sustain release. To see the problem, try playing some staccato notes. The maestro samples have a much more natural decay. Still, it IS free, so dems de breaks, I guess.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/17 02:28:06 (permalink)
Man that Jordan Adams is a great player for only 8 years old!! Thanks for the link.
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post edited by MArwood - 2005/08/17 03:08:44
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/17 07:18:53 (permalink)
Mmmmh, here you can find really excellent Piano Soundont!


http://www.zsf-gm.net/pub/ZSF/SF2/000_ZSF_Piano_Acoustic_UOI.sfpack

Remember that you need sfpack to unpack it!

This grand is dark and mellow, just suitable for jazz and new age!
I converted it to the GS3 and it sounds fantastic! Exquisite !

IMHO, one of the best piano soundfonts!
In many cases, I prefer it to big Giga Pianos!
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/17 11:49:08 (permalink)
I just picked up this new piano and think its pretty nice sounding http://www.artvista.net/Virtual_Grand_Piano.html

It goes for $99 until the end of today.

Ok, this is the last soft piano I am buying, I am drawing a line in the sand. Must save for a new compressor.

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/18 01:29:50 (permalink)
Forgive my lack of knowledge about piano sample sets but, which "Old Lady" are you talking about?
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/18 10:59:33 (permalink)

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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/08/19 10:52:22 (permalink)
Thanks Ben.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/09/22 06:51:21 (permalink)
Hi,

Downloaded Jsaras free piano soundfont and really enjoy the sound, but there is a faint clicking sound on hammer strikes. I am using free Sfz player, Sonar 3 Studio and I only have 512MB RAM. Are any of these the culprits?

Max
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/09/22 09:21:40 (permalink)
The ArtVista Grand Piano found here is a truly amazing instrument for the price. It sounds so realistic and fits well in any mix I've put it in.

Now, something no one has mentioned ... Ivory is soon to be released for Windows. I know someone who beta tested this, and I can tell you that this does work great in Sonar. It is a massive collection of samples from three great pianos. I think Sept/Oct is the release date on that.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/09/22 11:04:25 (permalink)
It does sound quite realistic, but as a professional piano tuner-technician, I find the slightly out-of-tune unisons bothersome.
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RE: Best sounding Piano? 2005/09/22 11:26:27 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: lylewood

It does sound quite realistic, but as a professional piano tuner-technician, I find the slightly out-of-tune unisons bothersome.
- LW

You mean they didn't tune the pianos perfectly before taking the samples for Ivory? If so, that'd be very disappointing. Or is it something to do with the software? Just curious...
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