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Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
I know reverb should be subtle and I've learned to use it in a send condition with excellent results. I was about to buy one (Valhallaroom) when I decided I really didn't know all the free ones we already have very well. There is the Cakewalk set: FX Reverb, reverb, reverb mono studioverb 2, Then there is the Sonitus reverb And the free Voxengo OldskoolVerb The free Kjaerhus Classic reverb There is the linear one, Perfect space that is supposed to be good but gives problems with dropouts due to intensive CPU I understand. I really liked the Valhallaroom demo a lot due to its simple helper noted settings but it's $50 Yes I could buy X2, and a new computer to make it work and get a hobbled Breverb or buy the real one for $200. Is it just whatever turns you on in the end? It's very hard to compare apples due to the differences in control options. I worry I'm ignoring a quality plug due to lack of familiarization or spending wasted time on a problematic one.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/22 23:51:43
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Although I've been using Softube's TSAR-1R mostly the last year or so, I always felt that the Sonitus reverb gave me quality results and was quite happy with it.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/22 23:55:08
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/22 23:57:36
I wouldn't even hesitate shelling out for ValhallaRoom if I were you. It has to be the best reverb for the money. I love everything about it. The quality is gorgeous, the interface is beautiful and the presets are everything you'll ever need. I like the sound of it better than Breverb.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/22 23:59:18
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Thanks Sharke, nice to get reassured.
I am impressed with ValhallaRoom for sure.
The GUI is deceptively simple but I do like the sound.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 00:00:20
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And thanks Leadfoot, I'll investigate the Sonitus reverb closer.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 00:09:01
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M_Glenn_M
Thanks Sharke, nice to get reassured.
I am impressed with ValhallaRoom for sure.
The GUI is deceptively simple but I do like the sound.
great point about ValhallaRoom. the gui looks rather like a homemade basement software but the sound is really nice
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 00:11:46
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Thanks CB, that's 2 votes for ValhallaRoom.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 00:15:37
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Thanks Sharke, nice to get reassured.
I am impressed with ValhallaRoom for sure.
The GUI is deceptively simple but I do like the sound.
great point about ValhallaRoom.
the gui looks rather like a homemade basement software but the sound is really nice
That's what I like about the GUI. It's beautifully minimalist and makes a nice change from all of the skeuomorphic 3D monstrosities that try to simulate "real" controls. I don't know whether I'm just being swept along with a trend or whether my brain really does prefer the less-is-more approach to design, but my eyes were instantly attracted to the ValhallaRoom interface.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 00:17:03
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Sorry Glenn. Didn't mean to mislead you. I was going by the title of your thread, and thought you wanted opinions on the best stock Sonar reverb for X1. I hear that Exponential Audio has an awesome reverb. I believe it's called Phoenix Verb.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 00:54:08
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X2 Pro has breverb, which is very nice. The nicest algorithmic reverb yet included w/ Cake.
And Softube's Tsar is sweet sounding too - the version that came w/ the Prochannel. With those two and Perfect Space (w/ lot's of free or otherwise impulses) pretty much cover the reverb bases.
While I'm working I'll use studioverb for low cpu 'verb. It doesn't sound bad at all. Sometimes I keep it in the final mix since if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 01:11:56
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I like to use Perfect Space on Pianos. Sonitus Reverb on Vocal and Breverb room on drums.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 01:24:54
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Thanks
I did ask about the stock or free (X1) verbs.
Failing that, it's good to know other options.
I'm not about to go to X2 to get Breverb tho.
It's interesting about using different reverbs for different instruments.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 01:28:04
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Exponential Audio's Phoenix verb is $200 but thanks anyway
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 08:19:00
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112db's offering is worth a look too
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:15:37
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I like the Sonitus reverb and Breverb. Epic verb by Variety of sound is a good 32bit free reverb. I personally bought ValhallaVintageVerb and I use it most of the time. I also plan to get Valhallaroom and CSR by Ik Multimedia. Someone has it for sale for $40 on KVR.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:17:24
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Thanks lawp.
112db's Redline Reverb = $149
Looks sweet, lots of good reviews.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:23:00
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Downloading the free Epic Reverb.
Great reviews. Thanks Clint.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:27:01
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Studioverb2, Sonitus Reverb and PerfectSpace are all useful. One could manage just fine if those were the only options available.
Like so many others, my go-to reverb has been ValhallaRoom for quite a while. Occasionally I'll open an old pre-VRoom project and see how it sounds when I substitute VRoom for whatever reverb I'd used there previously. Sometimes it makes no significant improvement, but other times it's huge. It's most likely to make a big difference when the old reverb was the Sonitus, and least likely when replacing PerfectSpace.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:27:19
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+1000 anything Valhalla. I use the vintage verb mostly.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:31:32
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Thanks Bitflipper. I'm going to study those freebies more.
The Perfectspace I have had problems with perhaps due to my older computer.
Is there a trick to avoid the lockups?
Also it sounds as if a lot of folks use Valhalla so that is getting up there on the list to buy.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:40:24
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/23 10:48:30
Glenn, you can freeze the PS track - that is what I used to do when I'd get stutters. Just copy the reverbed track to a new track and then unfreeze and archive the old PS track. That takes PS offline.
Another trick is to freeze only the reverb at 100% wet and mix that in live.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:48:24
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Huh! a good trick thanks AT.
Love this forum.
I'll need to figure out how to freeze just the reverb tho?
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 10:56:05
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Also add PerfectSpace only when done tracking and increase mixing latency. It is not unusual to record with latency set at one value and mix at another. Increasing latency may help the computer deal with the extra CPU load that PerfectSpace and other mixing plug-in add. If it helps to hear reverb when tracking use a lighter one like Sonitus or StudioVerb and swap it out during mixing.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 11:00:26
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Freeze a track with the snowflake right below the edit filter between the W and A buttons. You can also put the effects 100% wet on a track or bus, bounce it and mix in the bounced track just like any audio track.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 12:16:15
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Ah yes. I was confused about how to freeze the buss as I always use the reverb on a buss and use sends to it.
So in this case, I bounce just the wet reverb buss and bring it back in as a track and fade it up to taste?
I'll try the latency thing as well if PS acts up.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 12:17:23
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Yes, bounce the bus to a track.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 12:18:43
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Glenn, don't forget to add $50 to the price of the Tsar1R if you dopn't already have an iLok.
If we are sticking to the original question, I will echo that Sonitus, studioverb and perfect space will cover most of your needs. Every now and then i will watch one of Craig Anderton's videos or read one of his articles to remind me of how much can be done with the stock plugins.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 13:20:15
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/23 14:03:39
PerfectSpace adds a fair amount of latency and CPU overhead. Follow scook's suggestion of using a lightweight reverb as a placeholder until you're done tracking, then replace it with PerfectSpace and increase your interface buffers in preparation for the final mix. I've never had any issues with PS, despite my DAW being old and relatively underpowered by current standards.
Latency is somewhat adjustable in PerfectSpace. You can lower its internal buffer size to reduce latency, but more often you'll want to raise the buffer to ease the load on your CPU and reduce the likelihood of glitches during playback. CW suggests setting it to 1/4 the size of your interface buffers, but I leave PS at 1024 but mix with 2048 on my interface and don't have any problems. I'd guess as long as the PS buffers are smaller than the interface buffers you're OK.
But the most important principle when it comes to PerfectSpace is that the quality of the reverb sound depends mostly on the impulse response file it's using. It's worth the effort to look around online for some alternate IR files, as there are many excellent ones available for free.
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Re: Best stock reverb? (X1 producer)
2013/09/23 14:44:00
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Excellent, thanks. I have heard and read good things about convolution reverbs.
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