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2018/04/03 14:58:21 (permalink)

Best theory books

SO - I've got a pretty good ear, and I can manage some relatively complex stuff harmonically based on what I've learned through years of practice and active motivation to learn more about music.
 
However, the place where my big struggle is is actually with being able to TELL people about theory. I know how to "describe" a 1625 or 251 progression, for example, and some of the other basic things, but the other day a guy asked me which chord to use in tritone substitution and I just couldn't tell him.
 
What I'm curious about is whether anyone here knows of any good books or online resources where I can learn this kind of theory - especially jazz-theory? Perhaps something from a college course or something that can help me get my feet on the ground when it comes to building up from the basics?
 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/03 16:40:43 (permalink)
I used "The Jazz Piano Book" by Mark Levine forever. Then again I studied music for years so it is more as a reference for piano than a study book to me  I guess. It does teach you lots of theory along the way. His Jazz Theory book is liked by many too. 
 
As for online sources I have enjoyed "Rick Beato" on youtube lately, he covers all sorts of stuff from theory to producing to the eartraining. Worth checking out imo if nothing else for entertainment purposes. He interviews some high caliber players too. 
 
 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/04 05:33:57 (permalink)
For specific theory questions, it is hard to beat Wikipedia. As an example it has a very detailed article on tritone substitutions.
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/04 06:14:51 (permalink)
Hi David - this is probably the best on-line theory website https://www.dolmetsch.com/index.htm It's basically all the the beginner theory you should know. Beyond that the standard text for music theory and used here in Oz conservatoriums is Music in Theory and Practice by Benward and Saker. There are 2 volumes, you will need volume 1, unless you're going to get into composition in a big way, then you will need 2 as well. The book is pretty pricey, but you can get a kindle version, which isn't that much cheaper though. I highly recommend both resources. 
 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/04 07:22:23 (permalink)
Hi Dud,
 
Why not read the original ideas instead of derivatives:
 
https://www.amazon.com/Ly...nization/dp/0970373902
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/04 18:54:54 (permalink)
Marvelous replies, fellahs - all of them!!!
 
My mother actually happens to have a copy of the Jazz Piano book that I'm going to start using as study material. A friend of mine actually gifted me a copy the Beato Book yesterday as well, so those two plus Berklee's Jazz Arranging book should give me more than enough material to get a really good start.
Are there any courses that go a long with these - especially with the Jazz Piano Book? Something that sort of walks through how to apply the knowledge gained?
 
Thanks for the quick and informative replies! I'll definitely come back here for more once I've exhausted the years worth of information in those books :)
 

 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/04 23:13:55 (permalink)
Lots of material in those books you mention so you should be busy for a while :) 
 
As far as HOW to apply stuff from Jazz Piano, I dont know if there is anything other than the book, but honestly it does a very good job by itself given you know basic theory to begin with and play the piano at atleast a rudimentary level. There are TONS of exercises in there and even more recommended listening which will help alot. If you are only interested in the theory part it will go faster to go through than if you also want to apply the knowledge in your playing. I am still struggling with parts of it after 20 years :)  
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/04 23:15:33 (permalink)
Oh an btw, been thinking of getting the beato book myself. He released a new version just he other day called 2.0 I guess. Is that the one you got and if so I would be interested in what you think once you had a chance to look it over. He covers pretty advanced theory from what I can tell. 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/04 23:39:08 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tobiaslindahl 2018/04/05 09:29:56
I have to plug this guy:
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPLwlOq7DU_3J60Yd99jXSA
 
Everything you want to know about any composer.  He's really thorough.

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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/05 02:30:27 (permalink)
My Beato Book is indeed the 2.0 version! I'm super-excited to dig into this stuff. My primary goal is for arranging purposes, but that obviously leeches over into studio work and then eventually somewhere down the line, my performance skills :)
 
thanks for the link eph221, I'd never seen this guy before! He's definitely going on my daily watch-list.
It's SO awesome that there are so ridiculously many free tools out there these days! (Of course in addition to the generally very curated, oftentimes higher-quality, paid works of folks like Levine and such) I'm sure a lot of folks, even a few of you guys around here 30 years ago would've killed to have access to info like this that's just out there on the net, free of charge!!!

 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/05 15:16:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby iRelevant 2018/04/15 13:07:12
You can start with some of the original sources...
Principles of Orchestration by Rimsky-Korsakov. Download free pdf here.
Treatise on Instrumentation by Berlioz/Strauss. Download the free pdf here.


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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/05 16:29:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby iRelevant 2018/04/15 13:08:01
Dave - try to keep it simple on the theory learning process. Diving into books etc. is hard to maintain. I think you should ask your theory questions here as you come across or think of them. Write them down for later if it helps keep you on track. That way you can get a timely and more useful answer to your question. The problem with books is they lead to too much too fast too long which is ok if you have the time but not applicable to current situations. There are plenty of people here in the forums for your quest to be satisfied. I've forgotten more theory than most can remember cuz I'm old retired musician etc so if I can help let me know. I can and will point you to an answer you can use. 

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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/05 16:34:02 (permalink)
I think a combination of books and videos is the key. Books give you a much more in depth explanation whereas videos provide the audio accompaniment to the things you're learning. You'll get lots of book suggestions but for videos I would suggest taking a look at Groove3 - they have some great music theory courses. The jazz theory ones by Eli Krantzberg are excellent. 

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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/05 17:42:46 (permalink)
Yes Eli is a great teacher (on groove 3) and he doesn't have an aussie accent!

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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/05 21:37:01 (permalink)
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Music Theory Comprehensive Complete! (Levels 1, 2, & 3)
A Complete College-Level Music Theory Curriculum. This edition of the course includes levels 1, 2, & 3.
 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/05 21:39:52 (permalink)
 
Music Theory Comprehensive Combined: Part 4, 5, & 6
Mastering Music Theory and SATB Composition with College-Level Music Theory
 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/06 19:47:15 (permalink)
There is a lot of theory information out there and you can become paralyzed with theory (Have been there).   I agree with BayouBill above, keep it simple.   I would look at some Jazz Fake Books, good chord progressions and harmony in them.   Check out some short and simple theory specific YouTube Videos, ex. like when to use a diminished scale for example.   These short and simple methods help you to retain the information and really understand it.
 
In your example above, if you know 2-5-1, you already know what Tritone substitution is, indirectly.   Take for example Em7 A7 DMaj7.   A Tritone substitution in this case would replace the A7 with its' b5, or Eb.   So your progression would be Em7 Eb7/Eb9 to DMaj7.   Note that Eb is the tritone sub for A, and, A is the tritone sub for Eb.   They are interchangeable.   Play a Bm pentatonic over Em9, play an A arpeggio over Eb9, and then a Bm pentatonic over the Dmaj7 and you will hear the effect of the tritone substitution and likely remember it a long time.   Or you can do the opposite, if your progression remains Em7 A7 Dmaj7 try playing an Eb major (Cm) Pentatonic over your A7 chord.  You will catch a lot of "color notes" in there in either scenario.    If you are a guitar player you will start to see these patterns on the neck and store them in your toolkit for future use.
 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/07 05:06:53 (permalink)
I like this channel, I watched one a while back (not sure which) that was great, and a commenter asked a few questions and I felt a stack of loose ends come together in my head.  
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk24OnGLcP5XlTBjZ9WBWvw/videos
 
Also this one, which I think I should be more proactive with, as it wuld help my flute and sax playing as well as the theory.
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqimxUbWsE26KSpx2_OcmmA/videos
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Re: Best theory books 2018/04/07 05:54:36 (permalink)
This guy too. He comes from a classical background, but discusses jazz and pop too. I really enjoyed his Astral Weeks video, but I think his Swing Video that I saw first had some new analysis and info for me on the subject and worth watching.
 

 
 

 
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