Best way for a novice to learn Sonar

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2010/11/05 02:04:12 (permalink)

Best way for a novice to learn Sonar

Hello again,

I'm finding Sonar hard to learn (or maybe better say, hard to guess how to use!).  For starters, I'm really an ignoramus in most areas of midi, other than setting up devices so they work!  I use Giga 4 to play mostly Sampletekk pianos, and would like to record some solo piano with a few layered accompanying midi instruments.   Way back when I used my Korg T2Ex's built in sequencer, which was very simple to use.

Can you recommend a good tutorial, maybe a video tutorial, free or low cost?  All I really want to do is create clean midi tracks for starters, learn to trim parts of a track, basic edits, etc.  I have opened Sonar's manual several times now, only to put it down, as my eyelids drew to a close!

Thank you all in advance,

Noel
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    CJaysMusic
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 02:13:26 (permalink)
    There many vidoes in this site, just look up, and there are tutorials on the sonar disk or in the help files in sonar

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 02:22:18 (permalink)
    Noel depends what version you use.. and depends on you yourself. some people don't mind reading.. others prefer video etc..

    have you looked at the cakewalk youtube channel?

    also scott's "power" book is good , written in an easy to understand way.

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 03:35:56 (permalink)
    My recommendations (assuming you use SONAR Studio or Producer):

    1. If you don't like reading, do the tutorials. They are maybe the fastest way to get something done with "scratch-the-surface"-knowledge.

    2. And anyway, read the manual. It's a 1500 page pdf-file, and you surely don't need all the info, but it gives you a picture of what can be done and what not (you say you've "put the manual down" after reading a short while, which makes me think it's only the printed quick start guide you've been reading).
    You could do it by clicking every single button and dropdown list in your Sonar, and check one by one in the manual what it's there for.
    That way you don't feel like "just reading".

    3. If you feel like it, seek elsewhere for additional info regarding, say, MIDI or such. For example at tweakheadz.com you can find well written guides about whatever concerning home recording.

    Be patient. It does take a year or two minimum to really get it. You see here at the forum regularily posts by experienced users who have
    discovered features they didn't know. Sonar is not a recorder, it's a full blown studio, so there's no shortcut, but the basic functions are not that hard to learn.

    post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2010/11/05 03:37:13

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 10:02:24 (permalink)
    Thanks for the recommendation, Fog!

    Noel -- You may be interested in getting one of my SONAR Power books. You can find more info at: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks

    Best regards,
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 11:48:16 (permalink)
    Yes I agree, reading and reading and reading can be tiresome. A little bit each day is all some of us can absorb.
    I recommend hands on. Dive in there and when you get stumped go to the help menu and use the search tool. You will be amazed at how easy that is. When that does not work post your questions here. That's what the forum is all about. And don't be embarrassed if the question seems simple to you , we've all had to start somewhere and it is a very steep hill in the beginning.
    post edited by johnnyV - 2010/11/07 11:16:56

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 18:28:20 (permalink)
    Thank you all for the suggestions.  I discovered the Time Ruler and how to select by measure etc for copying and so forth.  This program IS NOT very intuitive compared to PowerTracks, and so to me it's poorly designed!  But it does look very robust so I'll stick with it for a while.
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 18:58:24 (permalink)
    just dive in, use the tutorials, watch the videos here... best way to learn is to get your feet wet.
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 19:12:32 (permalink)
    johnnyV


    I find it humorous that 2 replies to you where to buy a stupid book when what you are saying is reading is not your voodoo. I agree, nothing will put me to sleep faster than technical text babble.

    so you obviously have read or own the book?? whats that NO? so is that more humorous  .. tad harsh to say it's "stupid"...  how do I summarise you don't own it? the throw away comment ... as for techno babble.. it's written in a straight forward way.

    trust me there is plenty more on here who will big up scott's book (and no we don't get paid to) ..

     you also might notice I said to the OP that it depends on what they are comfortable with learning..




    post edited by Fog - 2010/11/05 19:21:37
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/05 23:22:38 (permalink)
    yes, "stupid book" is a tad rude methinks...

    For the op, find a midi track of a song you really like, import into Sonar and make your own re-mix, referring the help file every time you get stuck. Some things take time to learn.
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/06 05:34:28 (permalink)
    ncp10


     Can you recommend a good tutorial, maybe a video tutorial, free or low cost?  All I really want to do is create clean midi tracks for starters, learn to trim parts of a track, basic edits, etc.  I have opened Sonar's manual several times now, only to put it down, as my eyelids drew to a close!

    Thank you all in advance,

    Noel

    VTS have a video training DVD on 8.5


    Groove 3 as well


    Scotts (reading material) stuff is highly recommended as well. 

    Keep an eye on Cake TV as well especially Sonar University.





    post edited by cmusicmaker - 2010/11/06 11:44:00
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/06 05:43:57 (permalink)
    The letter 'T' changed everything for me.  When I started I freaked out why I could not click on the wave files to edit them... I would lose patience and close the software.  When I opened it back I could edit again... These were hard times!

    One good way to complement the videos is to print the keyboards shortcut page.  It shows a lot in there.

    Good luck, it's worth it!

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2010/11/07 11:24:37 (permalink)
    Sorry I agree that my comment came across as rude, was not my intention at all and I apologize to all that were offended.
    I have edited my post saying what I mean in a better way.
    Writing is not my strong point and when ever I "think" its funny it rarely is. I will try not to be funny and just answer in "techno babble" from now on. 
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/01/28 21:31:17 (permalink)
    Thank you all, I'm getting proficient enough to get stuff done now.  It's quite a nice upgrade over PowerTracks, and I'm still new at it, but as I say I'm getting good enough for my current needs.  Thanks again
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/01/28 23:15:27 (permalink)
    Have look at the Groove 3 videos on there web site. They are free for 30 days.
    http://www.groove3.com/str/mt30.html
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/02/02 17:47:33 (permalink)
    Fog


    Noel depends what version you use.. and depends on you yourself. some people don't mind reading.. others prefer video etc..

    have you looked at the cakewalk youtube channel?

    also scott's "power" book is good , written in an easy to understand way.

    Who is "Scott", and what "book"??

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/02/02 18:38:58 (permalink)
    never mind!!!!!!

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/02/02 18:53:21 (permalink)
    Ignore all of the advice above !!! (JUST KIDDING)

    But ... if you really want to learn how to use the tool

    #1 Get a Client - Not your self - to record
    #2 Get a Deadline - three weeks
    #3 Record a six to nine song album

    You'll learn Sonar

    If you don't believe me - you'll never learn the tool

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/02/02 19:46:45 (permalink)
    hehe Don.. is that "chucked in at the deep end" technique ?

    setting aside time to learn it IMHO is better.. same as upgrading .. not done in mid project (which I wonder why people ask for such trouble)
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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/02/03 04:07:40 (permalink)
    +1 Paul.

    When I first ventured into Sonar world, I didn't even load it up until I'd read Scott's book from cover to cover (mostly done while on holiday).

    After that it was plain sailing.

    YMMV.

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/02/03 09:32:46 (permalink)
    There are 9 Tutorials in the Help Menu. That's a good place to start. 

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    Re:Best way for a novice to learn Sonar 2011/02/03 13:28:52 (permalink)
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    Have look at the Groove 3 videos on there web site. They are free for 30 days.
    http://www.groove3.com/str/mt30.html

    +1
     
    I found the Sonar 8.5 videos really well done and helpful. I got in on the 30-day free trial but am considering an actual purchase for future reference. I am sure everything taught on these videos can be learned by reading manuals/books and experimenting, but these videos sure make it easier. They opened my eyes to a lot that Sonar offers.

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