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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/23 15:15:30
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Cosmo's factory had a gnarly tuck and roll Kustom on the front of it.
I personally do not care for solid state on guitar.
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Buy a UA LA610
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/23 15:20:27
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You can, there are plenty of plugins to do it. But from my experience, in the end, it always just sounds better leaving the noise in. Waves has a restoration bundle you could check out. Not sure if they have a demo or not. Do a search for audio restoration and I bet you come up with a couple plugin hits.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/23 15:28:09
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Joe - I feel your pain, but I've just gotten used to it. In fact, I've gotten so used to that you probably wouldn't believe the amount of noise that sneaks into my signal path. At this point, all you can really do is try the various noise-removal techniques, and maybe you get lucky. Maybe you can even EQ some of it out. Or, if you've got the treble rolled off on your guitar's tone control, turn it back up re-EQ at your amp. If all else fails, you do this... put your head right in front of the amp, and play as loud as possible for as long as possible. This should damage your hearing in all the right frequencies to cancel out the hissing. The ringing? Well that becomes your cross to bare.  http://forum.cakewalk.com/micons/m11.gif" />. Dang it - it didn't work. There should be SMILEY above. How the heck do you make those stupid things work?! Rrrrrrrr!!!
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/23 15:39:21
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/23 16:02:34
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I have had success with my tubers (marshalls) by putting ultra quiet preamp tubes in them. Doug at dougstubes.com can take your email request and equipment list and return a very spot on recommendation. Not sure if you are runing reverb or not but that always pushed the hum up for me as well, and I started adding reverb to the track in post production to tame it a little.
Is your power clean? If your local infrastructure is dated or you are on an outlet that shares a buss with a fridge or ac compressor you can also up the regular hum with a tube amp as the "dirt" gets introduced into the signal path. A power conditioner will help A LOT if this is the case.
Last, maybe experiment with the remove silence tool and see if you can find a balance between clipping off the tails and capturing your sound without a constant hiss buzz.
Good luck on this. I'm imagining that you are zeroed in on that standard tubey hiss and it's drivin ya nuts, although many would not bother about it. With digital recording the leap to pure quiet was astounding to say the least (I dumped my analog gear 24 hours after tracking a guitar on a beta version of cube just for the cleanness) and many of those classic axe tracks had a lot of tape satch helping to round the edge off the hiss.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 03:38:12
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Both amps have the same hiss... I do have spare tubes and have swapped ALL of them for both amps. It is just the nature of tube amps.... the hiss that is.
I was just hoping that I could sample the hiss, invert it somehow to remove it. You can! like I said before there are "vinyl restoration" software packages out there that will do this, but like WDI said they are not perfect and they may affect your guitar tone slightly, but they will get rid of the hiss. The one with Soundforge works best by running the wave file through it a couple of times rather than trying to get rid of it all in one hit, but there are cheaper alternatives and some with demos. Try them out!
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 10:39:50
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The fact that two of his amps have the hiss should be something to look into. I've never noticed a loud hiss in my tube amps...Unless I use single coils,sit real close and turn them way way up. In no way should a tube amp hiss so much that it is ruining a tracking session. It has to be something other than inherent tube noise IMO. Probably a wiring-ground loop issue. It could also be as simple as replacing the cables. Track the issue down man, don't live with a hum that is so loud it is ruining your clean guitar tracking!! That is not normal tube amp behavior.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 10:47:52
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Seriously, if you have hiss that is so loud that it is bothering you, you should probably take the amp to someone who can really work on it. The hiss in the 65 (reissue) that I was talking about in my earlier post is negligible.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 13:45:14
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Hey Joe,
Editing out the "dead-space" (parts that are just noise-floor) goes a long ways toward cleaning up an electric guitar track.
Use volume automation to make sure the track is "muted" until the guitar actually starts playing.
Unless your amp is extremely noisy, I wouldn't bother using noise-reduction.
A little amp noise (to me) sounds natural. Listen to some of the classic Van Halen records. You can definitely hear some amp noise. But it's not over-the-top...
If the amp is extremely noisy, you need to examine the source (amp, grounding, shielding on guitars).
BTW, Good/expensive gear can be prone to noise. A Ric 4003 is definitely a nice/Pro bass guitar, but its single coil pickups aren't shielded and will pickup all kinds of noise.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 14:02:14
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Jim has some good advice. I usually either cut or slip edit out the quiet passages so the noise is gone.
I would recommend, as I have several times here on this thread, that you look at an expander. It works like an upside down compressor.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 15:37:42
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ORIGINAL: Jim Roseberry
Hey Joe,
Editing out the "dead-space" (parts that are just noise-floor) goes a long ways toward cleaning up an electric guitar track.
Use volume automation to make sure the track is "muted" until the guitar actually starts playing.
Unless your amp is extremely noisy, I wouldn't bother using noise-reduction.
A little amp noise (to me) sounds natural. Listen to some of the classic Van Halen records. You can definitely hear some amp noise. But it's not over-the-top...
If the amp is extremely noisy, you need to examine the source (amp, grounding, shielding on guitars).
BTW, Good/expensive gear can be prone to noise. A Ric 4003 is definitely a nice/Pro bass guitar, but its single coil pickups aren't shielded and will pickup all kinds of noise.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 15:39:04
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ORIGINAL: space_cowboy
I would recommend, as I have several times here on this thread, that you look at an expander. It works like an upside down compressor.
If I'm not mistaken you can use the Sonitus compressor as an expander... just set the value for ratio to less than 1.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 16:25:33
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I found Soundsoap by Bias good at this. But if you have Sound forge with Noise Reduction 2 that is even better.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/24 17:02:50
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ORIGINAL: easyjoey
Can any of you tell me a good way to remove guitar amp noise? .....
I am using top end pro guitars and amps so it is not cheap gear.
Thanks
Joe Howard
Is it a Strat ? Try a guitar with a humbucker What pro gear is it then ? I use a 38 year old amp and a 10-year-old Strat No Noise It must be you
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/07/25 20:01:51
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Hey Joe, This might be stating the obvious, but here's what I found that was a simple fix: Using a real life example, I have a Ricky 4003, and as stated by Jim R, it can & does pick up some noise. So I went looking for what was causing it, and guess what? I found 2 things: # 1) If I left the TV on, there was an additional buzz, that dropped right out when turned off; # 2) As an electrician, I have dimmers on virtually all my track lights, hanging lights, etc. When I turned them right off, not down, but right off, bang almost all buzz gone! Then I was left with just a little acceptable residual noise inherent with the Ricky & the amp, which then disappeared when my fingers touched the strings - pure signal, virtually no noise! One more thing to check is: If your plugged into a circuit that shares either a fridge or freezer, uplug them for a minute or two, and see if that helps. Make sure that they are kicked on though, as fridges & freezers cycle on and off. If they are idle, you won't be able to tell. To be sure, you can unplug them for an hour or so, and they'll probably cycle on when you plug them back in - you should be able to hear them kick in. Check it out, HTH. Jim
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/08/16 10:20:37
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Before you go into all the complicated editing and gating things you should examine the fact that sometimes you just can't get the punch you want when micing an Amp because of Microphone sensitivity. Turn the mic gain down or move it back and the hiss goes away but the punch you want is not there. Turn down the Amp?, same result, no punch. Can you put the punch back into the track later with EQ and loudness effects editing?
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/08/16 13:00:37
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Nothing wrong with solid state. I just learned that John Fogerty recorded all CCR with a solid state. Not sure what he used.
Wow!! I didn't realize they even HAD solid state back then. Sure it wasn't Fogerty himself who was in a "solid state." Big wheel keep on toynin......... 
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/08/16 20:30:37
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ORIGINAL: Marah Mag
ORIGINAL: WDI
Nothing wrong with solid state. I just learned that John Fogerty recorded all CCR with a solid state. Not sure what he used.
Wow!! I didn't realize they even HAD solid state back then. Sure it wasn't Fogerty himself who was in a "solid state."
Big wheel keep on toynin.........
They did have solid state amps back in the late 60's but they were pretty much awful. Fender put out a line of solid state amps in those days that were laughably horrid. I'd be willing to bet that Fogerty was *not* using solid state amps back in those early days of CCR. I could be wrong, of course, but the tones he was getting simply scream "tube amp". If his amps were solid state, I'd sure like to know which brand/models they were. In the middle '70's I owned a Sunn solid state amp that didn't sound too bad, aside from the fact that is was the noisiest amp I've ever owned. But when the early CCR albums came out (was it '69 when their first album came out?) I don't remember there being any decent non-tube amps on the market. Perhaps my memory is just too far gone to remember the good solid state amps...... Best regards, Bill
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/08/16 21:26:25
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If CCR- Fogerty, was using a solid state amp he had to be chaining it to a tube amp, using it as a pre. Never got to see them in concert, who knows what they were doing in the studio. I know I wore that one Album out. Chalkin a lodi up.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2008/08/22 23:48:28
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Soundforge is cool and try more than one mic . I love the sennheiser e 609 I have mics that are more $ but it has a good sound if the tone is good out of the box .
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Re:Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2010/02/23 22:35:20
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I understand this is old message. Did you work out a solution to this problem. I am having to deal with same or similar issue. Using a Fender twin, Marshall JCM800 Fender Super reverb they all have some hiss to various degree (not cycle hum) even with no instrument plugged in. Very annoying when recording especially after you focus your attention to it. This noise seems to happen in other rooms and other locations. Presuming this is an issue with valve amps there must be way to eliminate this?? since there are many recordings using these amps.
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RE: Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2010/02/23 23:04:55
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But if you have Sound forge with Noise Reduction 2 that is even better. +1
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Re:Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2010/02/24 05:42:32
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zivotjekrasny
I understand this is old message. Did you work out a solution to this problem. I am having to deal with same or similar issue. Using a Fender twin, Marshall JCM800 Fender Super reverb they all have some hiss to various degree (not cycle hum) even with no instrument plugged in. Very annoying when recording especially after you focus your attention to it. This noise seems to happen in other rooms and other locations. Presuming this is an issue with valve amps there must be way to eliminate this?? since there are many recordings using these amps.
If the noise is that noticeable with nothing plugged in & no matter where the amp is placed then you should have it serviced by a qualified technician...A little noise (not 60cps hum) is to be expected but it shouldn't be distracting...
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Re:Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2010/02/24 12:07:17
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easyjoey
Can any of you tell me a good way to remove guitar amp noise? Specifically, when i am recording guitar, the noise a tube amp makes when you aren't playing is what I want to remove. Of course, you can hear the noise before and while playing if you listen carefully. Now, if we were only dealing with heavy distorted guitars this would not be an issue. However, with cleaner tones or finger style guitar it drives me crazy. I am using top end pro guitars and amps so it is not cheap gear.
Is there a way to sample the noise, invert it 180 to create phase that will remove the noise and then apply that to the entire track? If so, can someone step me through the process please?
Thanks
Joe Howard
Use a quieter amp.
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Re:Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2010/02/24 12:56:35
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HERE - and if that doesn't do it you know it's the amp. I use an older Furman surge and conditioner unit and no line noise. Borrow one and see if it's line noise.
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Re:Best way to remove guitar amp noise?
2010/02/24 18:09:47
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My Line 6 Toneport has a noise removal device. To activate it , you make the noise and let it find it. Then you can remove the noise with the click of a mouse. I imagine it's just a noise gate and a filter ,but it works really well. I'm not that crazy about Line 6 overdrive sounds though (rarely use it) .
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