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Beware of Mr. Baker
Just watched a documentary about Ginger Baker called "Beware of Mr. Baker". I give it 4 out of 5 stars. The title comes from a sign posted beside his driveway.
The film features interviews with all the people Mr. Baker has alienated over his lifetime. His ex-wives and ex-girlfriends, his kids, Clapton, Winwood and of course Ginger's nemesis Jack Bruce. None of whom seem to hate him, though.
Such a self-destructive and tragic figure. Must mental illness always go hand-in-hand with genius?
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/03 20:06:22
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Such a self-destructive and tragic figure. Must mental illness always go hand-in-hand with genius?
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/03 20:43:06
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Beware of Mr. Bapu too? 
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/03 20:58:24
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Beware of Mr. Bapu too?
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/03 21:40:11
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Why do you consider Ginger a genius?? Just wondering as I know nothing about him save his drumming.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/03 23:22:32
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Must mental illness always go hand-in-hand with genius?
No. 
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/04 01:27:07
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Must mental illness always go hand-in-hand with genius?
YES! At least in my case, anyway. But I'm no genius when it comes to mental illness. I simply have it. You gess wich juan. However, it does seem that anyone with a high IQ/genius status has some sort of mental dysfunction going on with it. Their brain is so focused on one thing that most everything else goes by the way side. Their home is a mess. Their hair is a mess. Their life is a mess. But their mind is beautiful.... ? Characterizations like that of Sheldon Cooper are nonsensically unrealistic. The show creators are using his character to stereotype all things genius, nerdy, obsessive compulsive, and whatever else they can throw in there. Basically giving one person every sort of mental dysfunction known to man. In reality it is highly unlikely that any one person in existence could possible exhibit all those characteristics simultaneously. Though it does make for good comedy.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/04 02:37:07
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I watched some of it, couldn't take much of him to be honest. I'm sure he is/was a brilliant drummer (although it's not a style that appeals to me), but that doesn't give him a pass to be a complete prick.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/04 10:55:19
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Zappa: excellent counter-argument, sharke.
I can think of several examples of well-adjusted but brilliant musical minds: Paul Simon, Paul McCartney, uh, mmm, help me out here...well, there's Zappa, of course. And Michael Jackson, nothing weird about him.
OK, I guess the list of those with personality disorders and substance dependencies really is longer. Starting with Ludwig van Beethoven. I've visited Vienna and it seems like every other building there has a plaque saying "Beethoven lived here" - it's because he kept getting evicted for un-neighborly behavior.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/04 13:59:35
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I can think of several examples of well-adjusted but brilliant musical minds: Paul Simon, Paul McCartney, uh, mmm, help me out here...well, there's Zappa, of course. And Michael Jackson, nothing weird about him.
Technically they aren't "geniuses". We mediocre types simply whish to believe they are, in some way, tho.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/04 17:58:30
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Strangely, the small town I grew up in had several major league scientists living there. I knew 2 physicists and one hydro geologist. All 3 of these gentlemen were brilliant and one of them was recognized by the Nobel committee. They also shared an inability to be perceived as normal.
The one physicist was often seen taking long walks around town while having an intense conversation with himself. The other was well known to be a crank with a fondness for red wine at any time of day, particularly when using a pencil and pad to find black holes. The geologist was merely eccentric and completely useless with routine household tasks, like changing a light bulb.
All true. 3 "geniuses" that walked a fine line.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/04 18:50:48
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Is the drummer's middle name "Bread?"
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/04 22:05:16
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Absolutely true that the word "genius" is bandied about much too freely. Even one of my idols...Ray Charles...is fairly suspect.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/05 09:16:49
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I feel 'genius' and the word 'hero' are so wrongly used today so much of the time. Makes me cringe at times. Probably because people can't think of the correct or more appropriate word to use in their statement. But they are usually used in a complimentary way at least.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/05 21:17:53
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I wouldn't call Baker a musical genius ... he didn't even come up with the inverted drum beat for "Sunshine" but he was influential and I do consider him an influence.
Baker also called himself a jazz drummer and not a rock drummer. Again, Ginger was not a jazz drummer (he even did a couple of those drum battles that are just hard to watch).
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/07/06 03:28:04
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"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." Music at Night, 1931- Aldous Huxley
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/10/24 16:39:00
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This is available on Netflix streaming if anybody is interested. I just had a chance to watch last night. I was at a ripe rock age when bands like Cream hit the scene, and drumming styles like Ginger's were the rage. Still appreciated it when segments were shown in this documentary. But he does seem like a tough guy to get along with. Lighten up Mr. Baker. And he could use a financial consultant.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/10/24 18:10:02
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Is it on regular Netflix? I love Ginger Baker. The 2005 Cream reunion was excellent. He does seem like he would be hard to get along with, but his fights with Jack Bruce have been pretty entertaining.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/10/25 14:10:46
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Well, no more fights with Jack, that's for sure.
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Re: Beware of Mr. Baker
2014/10/27 10:01:27
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Yea, he didn't seem to like Jack much, esp. since Jack got most of the royalties from Cream. You sing the melody, you get credit (and the checks). Isn't that Ginger on Blue Condition? He sang one or two songs.
Credit Jack w/ being smarter on the financial end of the music business. And Ginger's burning through millions after the 2005 tour goes to show... He's probably pissed at Jack for dying since there can't be much of a Cream reunion tour again to bail him out. But I like Ginger. Love his drumming. I just wouldn't get close enough to him and his cane w/o being very careful of what I say.
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