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Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
I held off upgrading to the Life model because I thought there'd be more information to come as part of the Announcement.
I know it's been a topic before but none of the discussions I've read clearly define exactly what is going to be included in "Core Sonar" and what we'd have to buy separately.
Unless I missed something?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 16:10:02
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You will have to buy any future add-ons, like new plugins or soft synths. Core features and enhancements are included.
Dan
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 16:10:18
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its identical to what Platinum currently is.. so just view it like the one year subscription but will last fifty?..
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 16:13:27
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☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2016/06/01 23:56:38
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its identical to what Platinum currently is.. so just view it like the one year subscription but will last fifty?..
......and at $99 per year, you can save $4851. 
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 16:58:04
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☄ Helpfulby Snehankur 2016/06/02 00:42:18
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You will have to buy any future add-ons, like new plugins or soft synths. Core features and enhancements are included.
DimPro, Rapture and a host of other synths are included (now, or as LE versions), but I paid for Concrete Limiter. On the other hand, we did not pay for the LP pair of mastering FX, nor Drum Replacer. This is where I appeal to the Bakers for some clarity. What is core, what is an add-on, what is an enhancement?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 17:17:31
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jpetersen
dcumpian
You will have to buy any future add-ons, like new plugins or soft synths. Core features and enhancements are included.
DimPro, Rapture and a host of other synths are included (now, or as LE versions), but I paid for Concrete Limiter.
On the other hand, we did not pay for the LP pair of mastering FX, nor Drum Replacer.
This is where I appeal to the Bakers for some clarity. What is core, what is an add-on, what is an enhancement?
Instruments, Content, Expansion Packs, Videos, Plugins, and stuff like that can always be considered as add-ons. So no guarantee they will be included in future versions. That's always been the case though. Unfortunately, we can't reveal our entire product roadmap and go feature by feature, what we can release is on our site for now. I do think that core improvements will be a big focus. Making existing features better. And that's because customers have overwhelmingly asked for it. We went through a period earlier this year adding some new features that appealed more to new customers. It was an important step. Now it's time to focus on editing, comping, and take management. There are many other areas we'd like to improve on moving forward as well.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 19:44:42
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If I understand correctly, what you´re buying is Sonar Platinum - whatever Platinum consists of any given year - for Platinums lifetime. I.e. it would be hard to say now exactly what will be included in 2022 or 2018. From the FAQ: "Are Lifetime Updates available only for SONAR Platinum? Yes, currently, Lifetime Updates are only available if you buy, upgrade, or crossgrade to SONAR Platinum." If you´re already a Platinum-subscriber, at 199$ it seems like a no-brainer to me - even if lifetime was expected to be only 3 years. (a user in the CH claimed that he had 2037 as end date - CH is perhaps not the most reliable source for info though  )
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 19:45:23
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☄ Helpfulby Morvejones 2016/06/02 06:39:15
Platinum was the premium product. By signing up for it we were going to get special content and features that were unique to Platinum. I wonder if that's now a done deal. Sounds to me like it's over and now we pay for the Platinum extra's. IT only lasted a year until a "better" idea came along.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 22:32:12
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Platinum is still the premium product. Platinum lifetime is the same product with core updates free for life.
Don't confuse this with different feature sets which is what separates Artist and professional from platinum. e.g artist doesn't contain the prochannel but Platinum does. The lifetime version of platinum will get all functional updates to the prochannel code and fixes. But it doesn't mean that the lifetime version will get all new prochannel modules offered for sale. Hope this clarifies?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 22:38:42
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So does Platinum lifetime qualify for things like Theme Editor, Plug-in load balancing, Ripple editing, and others in the Oven?
Also, what about the phone support that we currently do not have?? At least it isn't working for me, just get a screen that says 'oops, sorry there are no slots available'. I've been trying for a few weeks now.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 22:52:29
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I have a concrete example I am wondering about. Last month we got the most welcome LP EQ and Compressor. These seem like new plugs, would something like these be included in the lifetime updates?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 23:13:02
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2016/06/01 23:36:14
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So does Platinum lifetime qualify for things like Theme Editor, Plug-in load balancing, Ripple editing, and others in the Oven?
Also, what about the phone support that we currently do not have?? At least it isn't working for me, just get a screen that says 'oops, sorry there are no slots available'. I've been trying for a few weeks now.
All the items you list will be included in the platinum lifetime plan, don't worry. We are backlogged with support. We can only handle as many incidents as we have people unfortunately :) We are working on improving this.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 23:19:32
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schwa
I have a concrete example I am wondering about. Last month we got the most welcome LP EQ and Compressor. These seem like new plugs, would something like these be included in the lifetime updates?
They may or may not have been depending on whether they were viewed as optional or essential to the core. However even if they were add on's the price would be have been less than the price of a full year of platinum membership. As Andrew said, we do need to support the cost of lifetime updates by add ons periodically. This is much more flexible since it now gives users the ability to ala carte their membership plan based on their needs.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/01 23:19:59
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
rtucker55
So does Platinum lifetime qualify for things like Theme Editor, Plug-in load balancing, Ripple editing, and others in the Oven?
Also, what about the phone support that we currently do not have?? At least it isn't working for me, just get a screen that says 'oops, sorry there are no slots available'. I've been trying for a few weeks now.
All the items you list will be included in the platinum lifetime plan, don't worry.
We are backlogged with support. We can only handle as many incidents as we have people unfortunately :)
We are working on improving this.
Thanks for the clarification and reply!
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 00:46:21
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Platinum is still the premium product. Platinum lifetime is the same product with core updates free for life.
Don't confuse this with different feature sets which is what separates Artist and professional from platinum. e.g artist doesn't contain the prochannel but Platinum does. The lifetime version of platinum will get all functional updates to the prochannel code and fixes. But it doesn't mean that the lifetime version will get all new prochannel modules offered for sale. Hope this clarifies?
Thank you for the response, I appreciate your time. I've done a lot of thinking on the announcement and posted my thoughts in a new thread from C.A. In the long run, this will all be good.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 03:10:00
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This may have already been asked, but with Sonar X1 through X3, Sonar's flagship DAW was "Producer". With the new model it's "Platinum". So when it changes again at some point will "Platinum's" "lifetime updates" end?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 03:46:11
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What makes you think it's going to change again?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 03:52:28
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And that's because customers have overwhelmingly asked for it. We went through a period earlier this year adding some new features that appealed more to new customers. It was an important step. Now it's time to focus on editing, comping, and take management. There are many other areas we'd like to improve on moving forward as well.
This is a great model, I stopped my subscription as the new features didnt do anything for me at all, I have enough features and anyway, am concentrating on hardware these days so what I really need is a lifetime subscription to the core program - which you have delivered. :)
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 03:56:54
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It sounds simple to me...
I have Sonar Platinum. That will now never change as I have entered into a contract with Cakewalk for them to provide updated core features and bug fixes as long as Cakewalk are around. Okay, they could go bust next year... Next month even, and that may have been the risk, but I think it's a small one.
Then, all the extras like plug-ins and synths, I can carry on using them as they are. If one get's revised and is offered as an upgrade, I'll consider at the time whether or not I want to upgrade that synth based on how often I use it and how much I like it.
Frankly, the way I use Sonar, the lifetime option was a fantastic opportunity for me to keep up to date with the main program, no longer having to keep my eye on upgrade options...
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 04:47:26
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"You will have to buy any future add-ons..." i'am bit confused about... - Is Melodyne Essential a add-on?
- Is Dimension LE a add-on?
- Is Rapture LE a add-on?
- Is Z3TA+ Classic a add-on?
- Is Ultra Analog Session 2 a add-on?
- Is Strum Session 2 a add-on?
- Is Lounge Lizard SONAR a add-on?
- ....
What is and don't add-on?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 06:18:47
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
Now it's time to focus on editing, comping, and take management. There are many other areas we'd like to improve on moving forward as well.
YES!!! I've spent the last couple of years hoping to hear something like this. Thanks so much for listening to us who do heavy edits, customizations, etc. and have been unhappy with the implementation of some of the core features. I hope feature requests posted by many of us are being taken into consideration!!
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 07:20:02
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Ok so what about us on the monthly subscription? Will that continue as is and if so why should I pay for the lifetime upgrades and then have to buy plugins etc when for basically $15 a month I can get them? Can someone please explain this to me?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 08:31:20
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kenny@vhprecords.com
Ok so what about us on the monthly subscription? Will that continue as is and if so why should I pay for the lifetime upgrades and then have to buy plugins etc when for basically $15 a month I can get them? Can someone please explain this to me?
There are two main differences between the Artist/Professional/Platinum packages. 1) Sonar Artist (the actual program) has particular features missing (eg. pro channel) 2) Sonar Platinum (the package) includes a lot of extra "content" (plugins, soft synths, sample packs) Some of the extra content is deemed "core", if you buy Platinum you will always get it. Craig has said the Anderton packs are deemed "core" in the Platinum package. Other included content is dependant on deals made by Cakewalk, eg Melodine and AD4, or thrown in as extras (sample packs) and may or may not be available in the future and is considered "added value". If you continue your basically $15 a month you will continue to get everything advertised as part of your package. Lifetimers are guaranteed all "core" content but may or may not get the "added value" content when/if new content becomes available.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 08:47:11
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"You will have to buy any future add-ons..."
i'am bit confused about...
- Is Melodyne Essential a add-on?
- Is Dimension LE a add-on?
- Is Rapture LE a add-on?
- Is Z3TA+ Classic a add-on?
- Is Ultra Analog Session 2 a add-on?
- Is Strum Session 2 a add-on?
- Is Lounge Lizard SONAR a add-on?
- ....
What is and don't add-on?
If it is already in Platinum, it will remain in Platinum. From what I've read elsewhere, I wouldn't expect too many new LE versions to be added in the future. You'll have the option to buy a new synth outright, but I don't see them spending resources building future "lite" versions of new synths. Regards, Dan
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 10:07:29
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What makes you think it's going to change again?
Well, simply the history of the last 5 years or so. I started in 2009 with Sonar 8.x. We've since moved through the X series and now into Platinum. So the question is very valid: If 'Platinum' as a product changes to something else, which for the sake of the periodoc table might be 'Gold' does that terminate the contract for lifetime updates. I haven't seen the contract TOCs, but it should have definitions for 'Lifetime' and the product, if it states only for lifetime of Platinum, then it's fair to ask. 'Lifetime' itself can carry limits to the term.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 10:21:26
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2016/06/02 12:18:53
omg I would make this lifetime offer only available until the end of the week. And then when all these nay-saying forum fools figure out they've missed out because they want you to testify before Congress on what a "core product" is because their head is completely up the gift horse's mouth we can all just laugh and laugh and laugh.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 11:57:54
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As others have said this lifetime option works perfectly for me as I really don't use any of the plugins or VSTi that come with Sonar anyway. I'm very happy with my BFD3, UAD2 and Slate plugins and really like the idea of getting the core improvements like better editing and better VST utilization.
My subscription was up on 5/29 and just became a life-er today! Nice timing :)
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 12:57:12
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soens
This may have already been asked, but with Sonar X1 through X3, Sonar's flagship DAW was "Producer". With the new model it's "Platinum". So when it changes again at some point will "Platinum's" "lifetime updates" end?
If you are so skeptical/worried, then why not just opt out and continue with the existing model of annual updates (paid in full, or monthly)? That is not going away.
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/02 13:03:04
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- Is Melodyne Essential a add-on?
- Is Dimension LE a add-on?
- Is Rapture LE a add-on?
- Is Z3TA+ Classic a add-on?
- Is Ultra Analog Session 2 a add-on?
- Is Strum Session 2 a add-on?
- Is Lounge Lizard SONAR a add-on?
- ....
Well it's interesting you point out nothing but separate instruments as your examples. With the possible exception of Melodyne I wouldn't be surprised nor would I care if ANY of those instruments were not part of the deal. With this pricing scheme, you break even at 8 months from now if you upgraded in January like all the other non-freaks out there. So, come next January every penny you earn is a bonus you can apply to upgrade your Lounge Lizard instrument (which is what, $30?). Besides, Dimension LE? Rapture LE? Both of those are deprecated instruments anyway. Wait what, you DIDN'T upgrade to Rapture Pro when you had the chance? Oh I see what's going on here. You want to make music with software from 10 years ago without having to every pay anything again? Yeah good luck with that. Also good luck with driving a car without having to ever buy gas, change the oil, get new tires, or refill the washer fluid. If you were a little smarter and not a cheapo you'd be asking: Is PRO CHANNEL part of the core product? Is AUDIOSNAP part of the core product?
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Re: Big announcement did not clarify "Core Sonar" w.r.t. Life lic. model
2016/06/03 03:59:11
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Read this from KVR -Cakewalk Announcement has cleared my questions: "From June 1 through August 31 2016, purchasing or upgrading to SONAR Platinum will give the buyer free, lifetime updates of any future core features, enhancements, and fixes. Customers who purchase SONAR Platinum with Lifetime Updates will never again need to pay for another renewal of the Rolling Updates plan."https://www.kvraudio.com/news/cakewalk-announces-sonar-platinum-lifetime-updates-and-mac-alpha-33696 ...if it true this statement is from cakewalk - self 
Cakewalk Sonar Platinum (Lifetime), Cakewalk by BandLab (Beta), Steinberg UR28M, Windows 8.1 , Notion 6 (Presonus), Dorico 1.2x (Steinberg), Cubase 9.5.x Pro. , Studio One 3.5x (Presonus), WaveLab Pro 9.5.x (Steinberg) Halion 6.x
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