msr
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Bit Depth Grayed Out
I am trying to sync an external recording device to Sonar X2P and need to set a bit depth of 16 bits. However, the bit depth box is grayed out. Does anyone know why? I am running a Saffire Pro 40 interface with Asio4All drivers. Thanks, MSR
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thomasabarnes
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/13 22:09:19
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In the Unified Preference View, go to File>Audio Data and in the right where is says Record Bit Depth, change that to 16Bit. Then, you will be good to go.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/13 22:10:31
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/03/14 02:30:15
Because ASIO4All is telling SONAR the driver is 16bit. Try the factory supplied ASIO driver for 24bit operation. It may also be a good idea to completely remove the ASIO4All software.
post edited by scook - 2014/03/13 22:19:33
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/13 22:13:51
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thomasabarnes In the Unified Preference View, go to File>Audio Data and in the right where is says Record Bit Depth, change that to 16Bit. Then, you will be good to go.
I don't think so. If the driver is fixed at 16bit, changing the Record Bith Depth will not change the driver setting. This is the fix for projects recording at 16bit when the driver is set to a higher bit rate.
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thomasabarnes
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/13 22:32:58
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I think what I advised will work, scook. If he does what I recommend, that will make the current project set to a 16Bit bit depth. I think that's what he wants. Unless I'm misunderstanding him. If he tries what I say, which doesn't take any time to do, he can come back and say if it worked or not. But I must agree, it would be better for him to use the ASIO drivers of his audio interface. I don't know why he isn't. But I'm not a Saffire fan, though.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/13 22:38:41
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/03/14 02:30:32
Your problem is you are using asio4all...Why, your interface comes with ASIO drivers,,, use them. asio4 all is a very pour driver and only used for on board sound cards. And also there should be no sync issue. Word clock is sync, bit depth is a how long the data block is. We usually dither when reducing to a shorter bit depth.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/13 22:44:32
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Definitely misread the OP. Forcing the project to 16bit Record Bit Depth may work and is easy to test.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 00:35:11
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The thing is he say's msr I am trying to sync an external recording device to Sonar X2P
So to me this implies clock rate, As in transport or word clock. Bit depth is not an issue with syncing gear usually.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 01:31:11
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I see what you both mean. What I got from the OP's post is that he wants to have a SONAR project setup for 16Bit bit depth. If that's what he wanted, I told him how to do that. When I posted that he would be good to go, I mean that's the way to setup a project to have a 16bit bit depth. If he does what I recommended that will make him good to go with a project setup for 16bit bit depth. That's all I meant.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 02:41:19
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+1 to ditching ASIO4ALL (specifically uninstalling the drivers completely). The ASIO drivers (MixControl software) with the Saffire are what you should be using. Sample rate is then adjusted from the MixControl software. Bit Depth as per post #2 above, but I would default to not changing those and dithering to 16 bit on a mix down (but I am not sure what you are doing so cannot speak to this really, just an opinion).
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 10:40:49
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I find it interesting when an OP obviously has returned and read our replies but does not extend the courtesy of an answer,,, Notice cook and I have helpfull tags! ??
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 12:15:48
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Because they are helpful  ASIO4ALL can become one's nemesis :( I sometimes feel like I am in "Bug's Life".... "They come, they eat, they leave..."
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 12:29:43
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Everyone has done exceptionally in my view in this thread except the OP. I also advise ditching ASIO 4 All. I don't know why people buy great gear and then cripple it with that wrapper. Somewhere someone is extolling its virtues even though its not meant for decent gear.
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msr
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 15:25:27
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/03/14 15:29:06
Thanks for everyone's comments. I will start with ditching Asio4all and update my interface drivers with the current manufacturer drivers. msr
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thomasabarnes
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 15:36:04
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Cactus Music I find it interesting when an OP obviously has returned and read our replies but does not extend the courtesy of an answer,,, Notice cook and I have helpfull tags! ??
He finally returned and said something, but he didn't say if he tried changing the bit depth before uninstalling the ASIO4All driver, to see if that helped his situation. So, the next poor soul who comes with a similar problem will have to try a solution him/her self. Also, note that it doesn't have to be the Op to mark a post helpful, anymore. Now, forum users can do it. EDIT: P. S. But, if a user marks your post as helpful, you should get an email that reveals which user marked your post as helpful. That is, if you don't change your user control panel settings to behave otherwise.
post edited by thomasabarnes - 2014/03/15 14:41:01
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 16:22:11
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I agree it is very helpful to get a confirmation that advice worked, not to reward the helpful poster with gratitude, so much as to help the reader with a similar problem who has taken the trouble to locate this thread and is not sure which suggestion solved the problem. On a similar note, although it helps to have the OP re-do the subject line of the original post with SOLVED!, it would be even more helpful if he edited the body of his original post to include the details of his solution. That way someone looking through the forum will find the solution at the top, and will not have to read through many unhelpful solutions comments jokes etc. to get there. What is not helpful if for a dozen posts like this to be appended to the thread so that finding the solution is even further buried in the middle of a long list of not so useful posts. I appreciate the irony involved in appending this post myself.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/14 17:24:57
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LOL slartabartfast: Well said, man.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/15 12:54:17
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Ah ha! you are right this is what I found in my inbox. Mettelus is a very helpfull poster around here, that's for the tag. I didn't know we could do that. I will do the same as I find some answers are spot on. March 14, 14 2:30 AM
mettelus just marked your post as Helpful
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/15 13:09:23
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In my case using ASIO drivers from my manufacturer there is not a choice. It is 24 bit. To change the driver bit depth in Sonar on mine on the General Tab of the Options -> Audio menu I have to choose Windows drivers - WDM/KS then I can do that, or perhaps MME drivers with the Advanced Tab of the Options -> Audio menu. That just means that with ASIO drivers, I can Export the Audio out of Sonar and make it 16 bit then with or without Dither exporting the Audio into a Wave file (or perhaps *.mp3 file).  Back to you regularly scheduled music.
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Re: Bit Depth Grayed Out
2014/03/15 14:05:05
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spacealf In my case using ASIO drivers from my manufacturer there is not a choice. It is 24 bit. To change the driver bit depth in Sonar on mine on the General Tab of the Options -> Audio menu I have to choose Windows drivers - WDM/KS then I can do that, or perhaps MME drivers with the Advanced Tab of the Options -> Audio menu. That just means that with ASIO drivers, I can Export the Audio out of Sonar and make it 16 bit then with or without Dither exporting the Audio into a Wave file (or perhaps *.mp3 file).
 Back to you regularly scheduled music.
Sonar supports all windows audio drivers. Steinberg created ASIO for the ability to have one driver to work with both Apple and Windows. Cubase only supports ASIO or MME for Windows. WDM is actually a better audio driver model if the developer writes it well enough. The problem is WDM is huge because it is not just for audio but all drivers that Windows needs. It takes a programmer that knows what they are doing to do a good job. What often happens is a specific manufacturer may just work more carefully on ASIO because if it works well he will have Apple and Windows covered. WDM will be an afterthought. On the other hand some do equally well on both and it becomes in the case of Sonar which you prefer. Not which will work or what is supported.
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