BitBridge 2.0 + JBridge + VST Bridge + Reaper x64/x86 bridge = encouraging for x64!

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BitBridge 2.0 + JBridge + VST Bridge + Reaper x64/x86 bridge = encouraging for x64!

Just FYI to those who are dealing with bridging x86 (32-bit) plugins with x64 hosts, I wanted to mention the four "bridges" I know of that are currently out there and some quick comments.

1) Sonar BitBridge 2.0 -- the best x86 bridge out there, in my opinion. Has multiple servers, good stability, compatibility, configurability, PDC, is responsive and is well-integrated. Solid, relatively mature bridge. Works with many (perhaps most?) plugins I've tested. Does not work with some plugins.

2) JBridge -- a great app and I *highly* recommend you support it and buy it. A great companion to BitBridge, and it's integrated into Sonar. :) Nice to see Cakewalk open up like that. Works with many (perhaps most?) plugins, does not work with some... a good overlap with BitBridge 2.0. Also works with other x64 hosts, and even works with x86 hosts too! Very cool. This is what you need to get on your system to cover most bases with your plugin collection. Plus, Joao, the developer, is a pleasure to work with. Please support him and his product.

3) Steinberg's VST Bridge, which is part of Cubase x64. This is a mess. I've been trying to work with it on my system and it inevitably winds up being extremely finicky and just not reliable in any production-worthy way so far. I have Cubase x64 installed along side Sonar x64 for testing. It is far better to use JBridge with Cubase x64... at this point, VST Bridge is just not a solid bridge and I cannot recommend it except for a few specific cases that are known to work well with it. Very disappointing from the "makers of VST" itself. I don't mean to bash them, but I'm genuinely flabbergasted by this. The good news is that JBridge is a great tool and once again, covers many of the gaps.

4) Reaper x64 now has a bridge! In the current version -- 3.141 -- I have to say, it works pretty well so far for the plugins I've tested. It even loads up a couple of plugins that are problematic for BitBridge and even JBridge. Wow! Impressive work by Justin once again. Another reason Reaper is -- at the very least -- a worthy companion DAW app to have on your system along side Sonar. It also has a nice little feature whereby you can specify if all the x86 plugins get loaded into one instance or separate instances of the bridge/server/app. Not as comprehensive as BitBridge 2.0, and I do not know how robust  it is yet. But very, very encouraging that we have another positive solution to add to our toolset.

All in all, I'm really pleased I've made the leap to x64. Things are rolling along nicely and I think just about anyone can take the plunge and get most -- if not all -- of their plugins working with these tools, one way or another.

BTW, all the x64 NI plugins I've tested (i.e: Kontakt 4, Massive, etc.) work well with Sonar x64, Cubase x64 and Reaper x64 so far! Very encouraging yet again! :)

Over and out for now.


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    Jose7822
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    Re:BitBridge 2.0 + JBridge + VST Bridge + Reaper x64/x86 bridge = encouraging for x64! 2009/11/18 19:11:48 (permalink)
    Hey Eratu,

    Like we talked the other day, I'm really impressed by Reaper's bridge solution being such a success in its first iteration.  This is yet another impressive work by Justin, even more considering that his version works better than the Steiny one.  Sometimes I wished Justin worked at Cakewalk.  But we all know that ain't gonna happen :-)

    I'm really happy with Bitbridge though, especially with version 2.0.  I love the fact that it enables me to load and use all the RAM installed in my system using 32 bit plugins.  That takes the cake (pun intended).  On the other hand, I'm getting close to working in a purely 64 bit environment, which has me very excited because I'll be accomplishing this before the end of the year!  Between the upgrade to the PLAY version of EWQLSO (and other PLAY libraries) and the advent of a 64 bit version of Superior Drummer 2, I'll have most of the bases covered real soon.  As soon as I get these and the update to Sonar 8.5, I'll be re-formatting my system (yet again :-P) and I'll start working in my 64 bit DAW.  Maybe with Sonar 9, I'll achieve a 100% 64 bit system.  It all depends if Cakewalk finally ports ALL their plugins to native 64 bit format, we'll see.  Either way, I'm really happy to finally be able to work in this environment after many, MANY years of wait.  This is a dream come true for me and I hope everyone enjoys it as much as you and I are, Eratu.  These are very exciting times we live in.

    Bitbridge et all will still be part of many people's workflow for a long time.  So I agree with Eratu that we need to keep supporting these types of technology.  After all, it's only thanks to them that we are able to do what we do in a 64 bit system today, no? 


    Take care my friend!


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    eratu
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    Re:BitBridge 2.0 + JBridge + VST Bridge + Reaper x64/x86 bridge = encouraging for x64! 2009/11/18 20:32:23 (permalink)
    Elegantly stated, sir. You're a lucky man to be leaving the world of bit bridges so soon. I expect I'll be here for a long, long time. You have to let us know how it goes with PLAY and the rest of your transition!
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    Re:BitBridge 2.0 + JBridge + VST Bridge + Reaper x64/x86 bridge = encouraging for x64! 2009/11/18 21:37:26 (permalink)
    Thanks my friend!

    You can count on it.  I'll let you know how everything goes with PLAY.  But I have to admit that I'm a bit scared about using a dongle on my system.  Hopefully it'll be worth it though, especially because I've always craved owning all the EWQL libraries; first because they sound really good and, second, because they are within my reach money-wise.  Can't wait to start playing with them.

    TTYL bro!


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    Re:BitBridge 2.0 + JBridge + VST Bridge + Reaper x64/x86 bridge = encouraging for x64! 2013/01/18 19:24:14 (permalink)
    Hi, I´m compleatly lost with all this x32, x64, Jbridge, Bitbridge, etc... what should I do to make all my old plugins run in this new windows 7 x64bit.
    i´m using Sonar X1 x64 in Windows 7 x64 but all my plugins are older than that, what should I do step by step to make all my sistem stable and running without issues? thanks
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