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Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
Here's a crazy one - perhaps linked to the recent automation bug. I opened up a project recently to discover that one of my soft synths was no longer working. Upon closer inspection, this is because it's getting its preset changed whenever I press Play.  I went into Preferences > Options > MIDI and everything there is switched off - specifically Zero Controllers When Play Stops and Patch/Controller Searchback Before Play Starts, 2 options which I could understand might have an effect. This happens wherever I start playback - whether at the very start of the song or anywhere else. It seems to be specific to this project - it isn't manifesting in other Sonar projects with the synth in, nor when I tested it in Reaper. And it worked in this project in the past. Suggestions?
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/13 07:14:50
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Hi. Have you tried J Bridge? I have read (somewhere) that some plugs perform better with one or the other.
(I moved to X64 a few years ago, and have had next to no issues since)
All the best.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/13 07:35:14
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jBridge may be a bit better than bitbridge, but i remember back when i used it (up until the day Kore 2 finally went x64), i was still getting all kinds of weird problems with just about anything i would use bridging for. i was so happy when i was able to make 32 bit plugins a thing of the past for me
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/13 09:45:51
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Assuming the event list doesn't show a program change (and I'm assuming you recorded the file into a blank track), then I would guess bridging weirdness. As PreSonus's Wolfgang Kundrus said when asked about how to use 32-bit plug-ins in 64-bit Studio One, "tell the manufacturer to make a 64-bit version."
Another possibility is that a different track happens to be assigned to the same MIDI channel and is sending a program change. Also, try inserting a different, 64-bit synth and seeing if it responds similarly, or whether it's only that particular synth.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/13 12:54:25
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I have had this recently happen to me with a 64-bit plugins - possibly Rapture Pro, and I too had taken the check box options off like you did, but it still kept happening, so I swapped the synth out for Dim Pro, which played things properly without switching the preset.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/13 13:37:11
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I'm not sure it's just BitBridged plugins that have these kinds of issues (I have seen things like this with 64bit plugins). It's painful to setup but you might get some clue with Piz MIDI monitor plugin (or something like it) http://www.thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiMonitor You may need a MIDI loopback device as well, to figure out what exactly is happening. Yyou might not be able to do anything about it though. But knowing what is happening is always a good first step.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/13 13:46:13
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Until you find the source of MIDI data, the MIDI Event Filter MFX may help.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/13 15:58:17
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Well, I just fired up the project again to give these suggestions a try, and this time it's working perfectly. There were no program change events or any automation so I've no idea what happened.
I'd love to be able to switch to entirely 64-bit plugins, but this synth is very unlikely to ever get ported unfortunately.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/14 10:33:25
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I know you're a smart guy so you probably already tried this, but just in case...in Plug-in Manager, there's a parameter for "BitBridge Server." I have zero idea what it does, but maybe changing it or messing with some of the other plug-in Properties would give more consistent results.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/14 11:37:24
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Nope, hadn't tried that. If this problem recurs, I'll give that, and JBridge, a go before posting here.
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/14 11:45:01
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is it just one particular plugin?
does it always change to the same preset?
does the bug manifest immediately after opening the project, or only after some time/changes ?
don't have any tips or workarounds, just throwing in some troubleshooting ideas
hth
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/14 13:53:25
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Easy :) Just select "None" in the Patch menu on the midi track.
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Kylotan
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Re: Bitbridged plugin seems to get random values assigned when I press Play
2016/02/14 18:20:43
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Just a reminder to people chiming in to this thread - the problem resolved itself, with no known intervention from me, and hasn't recurred yet.
is it just one particular plugin? - yes
does it always change to the same preset? - yes, but different ones for different instances of the synth
does the bug manifest immediately after opening the project, or only after some time/changes ? - it manifests when I pressed play, in that project.
Easy :) Just select "None" in the Patch menu on the midi track. - I don't think I've used that menu for about 10 years. Not that it matters - it seems to have no effect on my synth. It was already set to None, and whatever preset I choose in that menu is ignored, and the one that that already set inside the synth, remains that way.
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