Black Sabbath "13" tour... no Bill Ward... too fat...

Ozzy says Bill has had two heart attacks and is way over weight and is not welcome. They wont be responsable for his life. Apparrantly Bill knows it and agrees but still there seems to be resentment, I think.
 
 http://www.nbcnews.com/entertainment/ozzy-osbourne-says-black-sabbath-drummer-too-fat-tour-6C10855940
 
I probably wont go (not my sort of crowd) but I bet it will be a good show.
 
I wonder... do you think 13 is a number one album because it is that good or because Sabbath has become such a legend? I have not heard it.
 
Julien

batsbrew
they already used a different drummer to make the album (bad choice)
 
now no bass player for the tour (not that big a deal, but it aint sabbath)

I had not heard about no bass player. I thought Butler was touring... the switched drummers to the "Rage Against The Machine" drummer, can't remember his name. They have someone playing keyboards, that seems like a waste of time... not sure how anyone is going to hear keys over Iommi.
J

jbow

batsbrew
they already used a different drummer to make the album (bad choice)
 
now no bass player for the tour (not that big a deal, but it aint sabbath)

I had not heard about no bass player. I thought Butler was touring... the switched drummers to the "Rage Against The Machine" drummer, can't remember his name. They have someone playing keyboards, that seems like a waste of time... not sure how anyone is going to hear keys over Iommi.
J

i just meant, NOT the original bass player (same to me, as no bass player)
the drummer on the album is really good.
but it never feels like sabbath to me.
 

Butler IS the original bass player and he is touring. Only Ward was left out.
 
After hearing reports of how poorly he performed on the last reunion tour, I'm starting to believe that it's not impossible that they simply use any reason to leave him out w/o telling him that he's no longer able to play.
 
 

"do you think 13 is a number one album because..."
 
Take a look at the production credits and you'll see the same team-leader that handed Jay-Z a platinum pre ship.
 
Another thing to consider is that no.1 no longer means you are selling gobs of stuff. It just means you beat out everyone else to the top of a melting ice cap.

You might want include the Beastie Boys...
 
 
don't forget the Avett Brothers.
 
 
 
 
Any artist can make art.
 
Rick Rubin IS distribution.
 
Distribution is king.
 
 
best regards,
mike

Rain
But I wish they'd hired Appice.
He has a history w/ Sabbath and his drumming worked quite well w/ them on Mob Rules.
 
That being said, the album is good, and sounds like Sabbath - minus the drums.

+1 to all of this ^^^^^

Mike, 
 
I think it's actually the opposite - I may be wrong but I believe that Julien's question wasn't intended to debate the mechanics behind the charts or the business practices in the industry- I assume that he is intelligent enough to know that record sales and charts are something that can be messed with and that, at the end of the day, it doesn't tell the whole story.
 
To me, his question read as: is the album that successful because it's good or just because they're such a legendary band. He then specified that he hadn't listened to it. So to me, that's what the question was - is the album that good.
 
My answer - being the legendary band they are certainly helped the sales more than a bit, but the album has its own merits. Yes, it is a good Black Sabbath album. 
 
The first single was a good hint of that and legions of fans have been praying for Sabbath to get together and record an album for decades. They announced they'd be working on it back on 11-11-11. Put all this together and you have a record that is likely to do very well when it finally comes out 18 months later.
 
It's not like they'd been putting out albums every 3 months and this was just another one. Then they might need the push. This comeback album meant something, it probably didn't need as much a push...
 
As for the role of the production team behind it, I don't think that that's what Julien wanted to discuss.
 
FWIW, Iommi and Sabbath had wanted to work w/ Rubin for so long - he is recognized for getting band back into shape, helping them to find their edge. I'm guessing that could be the first reason why Sabbath hired him. With Sharon Osbourne behind them, it's not like they were in dire need of someone to show them how to do business.
 
 

Wookiee
There was an interview that intimated that there was a problem about how much they would earn.  Because of whom wrote what.
 
Sad that when it was the four that made the sound not just the tunes.

So they are the Eagles of metal ??

Too fat?!?!  Hope other bands don't use that as a criteria.  I'll never work again. 

@RAIN: To me, his question read as: is the album that successful because it's good or just because they're such a legendary band. He then specified that he hadn't listened to it. So to me, that's what the question was - is the album that good.
 
Spot on.
 
J