Jeff did mention the VS mix could be replicated irrespective of DAW (expected answer), i.e. "They were Sonar, Studio One, Logic and Pro Tools. I could get near perfect nulls with any of them added and one polarity reversed and they all sounded the same."

The outlier here is MixBus, so whether compared to a SONAR or S1 mix should be inconsequential.

Thanks for the vid, Kenny. It shows that all the hype about MB summing is a snake oil. Yes, it sounds a hair deeper, but you can easily use a plugin on your summing bus that adds slight depth and warmth, like BT Analog TrackBox that ships with SPlat or nay third party. I figured, PM Retro EQ just engaged and not tweaked serves as a great summing device, adding depth, warmth and texture.

When is Bapu gonna post the results?

[edit] Never mind. It'll be tomorrow morning 🕗.

It wasn't easy to follow but I got the impression he exported the stems from Mixbus and then loaded them into Reaper.  Which might explain why they null, since they had already had the Mixbus processing applied to them.  The only part he did (in an off screen project) is the adding/summing part.  And even that didn't completely null out, you can see in the video near the 80% mark the two waveforms aren't identical.  And his null play back did have a couple of meter blips.  Minor yes, but not zero.
 
I think it's safe to say that Mixbus does do things to tracks.  And it does sum tracks slightly differently than "normal" DAWs also (two separate things maybe).  The thing is, do you want/need what it does?  Do you want it bad enough to use Mixbus?  Can you get what you want without using Mixbus or is using Mixbus (either as an additional step or as a full replacement) the best path to what you want?
 
In my case I have yet to hear anything that makes me believe Mixbus solves a problem I personally have.  But I can completely understand people feeling differently about it.

Hello Timothy! , you are welcome 
 

Soundwise
Thanks for the vid, Kenny. It shows that all the hype about MB summing is a snake oil. Yes, it sounds a hair deeper, but you can easily use a plugin on your summing bus that adds slight depth and warmth, like BT Analog TrackBox that ships with SPlat or nay third party. I figured, PM Retro EQ just engaged and not tweaked serves as a great summing device, adding depth, warmth and texture.

Hi Alisa ,
 
I'm happy you enjoyed the vid
I have been learning my way around Reaper lately and that's how I knew of that vid .
I can't say I  know of anyone that would use Mixbus only just to summ tracks w out using Mixbus's on-board effects combined with some of Mixbus's other options ..
IMO, every DAW that I own has some sort of snake oil PR type of thing going on ...advertising maybe ?
I know for a fact that you got Chops girl ,
I'm sure if you wanted to you could probably take any number of the other DAW's you have and with your skills be able to level the playing field Mixwise  between all of them 
 
 
Here is a perfect example of what I would like to do in SONAR while using Mixbus at the same time ...
 


 
I'm not sure if SONAR has this type of routing available yet ...if SONAR does have this routing

Can somebody here please explain to me how to approach doing this while using SONAR
 
all the best,
 
Kenny

Hhhmmmm , now this is getting very interesting . Yes, I actually answered my own questions ...
ReRoute according to the CockosWiki is supposed to be available for use in other DAW's once installed ..
As long as ReRoute doesn't mess w  my audio drivers  I may be able to run a SONAR project into Mixbus and send back my processed Mixbus audio in real time with out having to export my SONAR project as stems first .. 
 
Oh Yeah , Life is Good
 
that is if it works
 
Kenny
 

ReaRoute is installed on mt DAW but in SONAR Preferences->Devices they are unchecked and greyed out (can't check them).
 
Maybe RME and ReaRoute don't know how to play nice together?

There could still be some problems with that video.
 
The best test is to get the original multis that have been recorded somewhere totally else e.g. the Roland session that I have.  All mono tracks. They should be imported into Mixbus and the other DAW of interest. No stem summing thanks from either of them. That could be making it ambiguous. 
 
The same mix needs to set on both DAW's and just one final mix stereo stem exported. Pan laws can be matched. Only L R and C panning applied and tracks faders set to whole numbers of db levels. No effects applied anywhere.
 
Also the A/B comparison of the final mixes should be done in a Third DAW or program as well not either of them.
 
The fact that the rise times of transients alone between Mixbus and other DAW's may be different should be enough to not create a perfect null. Thanks Bapu too for the pan law info. Studio One uses 3 dB as well so that solves that issue pretty nicely.
 
I will use part of the Roland sessions that I have. I am sure after this much time passing it will be fine.  I also remembered too I have an excellent multitrack drum session of my son doing a Cirque De Soleil audition. The music can easily be removed and just the drums left behind. Drums alone may emphasise the transient differences. 
 
I obviously need to do this. I am just flat out right now and cannot do it immediately that is all.
 
But hey if a perfect null does result I am very happy to agree then there is no difference but I suspect I won't get a perfect null.

OK, no point it waiting. See the OP.

bapu
 
And now for the answer:
 
B=Sonar
A=Mixbus
 

 

"All that shows is that the B mix was..."
 
Give it up Jeff, we luv ya buddy, but SONAR won, as it should, after all this is the
 
SONAR forum.
 

 

gswitz
Bapu, you prefer mixbus, right?

Not exactly the way I would put it. 
 
From my post #81 above:
 
"I've maintained from the get go that once I leave SONAR I'm in the final mix and small m mastering stage. Mixbus (for me) fits that bill."