Bluegrass?

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2005/09/03 11:31:09 (permalink)

Bluegrass?

OK, I've never done this before, so I am asking this list for some help, here. I have a Bluegrass/Gospel group coming Sept. 12 to do a session. Now, I've never had to do this kind of group before (OK, expanding my horizons!), so I'm asking this group for advice on how to mic the instruments. They have a dobro, mandolin, ac guitar, upright bass, rhythm guitar. I think the r guitar and the other guitar have electronics built in, so they shouldn't be much of a problem. But what about those others? How close would you place the mic? What angle? Is the 57 the best for those?
I know this isn't many details, but for now, this is all I got. Kinda puts you in the same situation, doesn't it? (not knowing, I mean)
Anyway, I appreciate the help I know is gonna come my way!

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    glazfolk
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    RE: Bluegrass? 2005/09/03 11:47:32 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: davestoy
    OK, I've never done this before, so I am asking this list for some help, here. I have a Bluegrass/Gospel group coming Sept. 12 to do a session. Now, I've never had to do this kind of group before (OK, expanding my horizons!), so I'm asking this group for advice on how to mic the instruments. They have a dobro, mandolin, ac guitar, upright bass, rhythm guitar. I think the r guitar and the other guitar have electronics built in, so they shouldn't be much of a problem. But what about those others? How close would you place the mic? What angle? Is the 57 the best for those?
    I know this isn't many details, but for now, this is all I got. Kinda puts you in the same situation, doesn't it? (not knowing, I mean)
    Anyway, I appreciate the help I know is gonna come my way!

    David


    David -

    You need to talk to them. I've done a fair amount of work with bluegrass groups. The real purists insist on recording with only one mike, the old fashioned way. Resist this at all costs, unless they are REALLY experienced and accomplished recording experts. This technique requires that they be perfect and precise in their movementys stepping up to and away from the mike. I've never had a group that can really pull it off. Most, after a frustrating few hours of experimenting, agree to settle on a more conventional approach to recording.

    So, after getting rid of that one, let's assume one mike per instrument. I don't know what mikes you have, so take this as aguide:

    Dobro - SM57 is great, you won't find anything better for this (at less tha $1,000!)
    Acoustic Guitar - use built in line + a condenser mike - record to 2 tracks
    Double Bass - one mike on F Hole (eg Rode NT2, Studio Projects C1) one near bridge (eg NT3, SM57)
    Rhythm Guitar - use built in line + a condenser mike - record to 2 tracks
    Mandolin - NT3 or similar near bridge

    ... plus of course, a vocal mike or two! And definitely hang up one or two omnioid mikes as room mikes, to really capture their "flavour".


    Hope this helps
    post edited by glazfolk - 2005/09/03 20:08:54

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    davestoy
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    RE: Bluegrass? 2005/09/03 22:42:58 (permalink)
    I had thought about most of what you just said, glazfolk, so you re-affirmed my thinking! I always enjoy a challenge, and this is one I will definitely enjoy!
    Thank you for your prompt reply!

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    RE: Bluegrass? 2005/09/04 00:17:44 (permalink)
    If you can afford it, pick up the Audio Technica 4033. Very friendly mic for guitars, mandolin and even the acoustic bass.

    I agree on the 57 on the dobro, it will flatten out the transients. You may also need some significant limiting or compression too.
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    RE: Bluegrass? 2005/09/04 05:03:31 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: davestoy

    I had thought about most of what you just said, glazfolk, so you re-affirmed my thinking! I always enjoy a challenge, and this is one I will definitely enjoy!
    Thank you for your prompt reply!

    David


    David,
    Nothing IMHO in the world of recording is as satisfying as recording good, clean acoustic music and then trying to fauthfully reproduce it on CD as if it were a kive sound, to make it feel to the listener that the group is right there in the room with them. For mine, you can take all them synthesizers and take them where the sun don't shine! You're just going to have a fantastic time. Let us know how it goes, won't you?
    Best, Geoff
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    RE: Bluegrass? 2005/09/04 06:17:25 (permalink)
    I'll be sure to post and let you know how it went, Geoff! Thanks again!

    David

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