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2011/04/09 01:59:45 (permalink)

Boot Order Fubar

Ok, not ENTIRELY fubar, but enough that every time I restart my computer I have to <F12> at JUST right time to access the boot menu and select my HardDrive as the boot device.  Currently, my CD Drive is listed as first, which I assume happened when I FINALLY made my factory default disks last week.  Or during a system update, which I did round about the same time.  
 
I can work around it, sure, but I shouldn't have to.  But, I have no idea how to set it permanantly to default to the Hard Drive.   I've been researching this, but everything I've found isn't quite what my problem is, or starts at step 6 or something like that... and I know where the REAL experts are.
 
Of course, whenever system updates want to restart my computer - usually in the middle of the night -- I wake up to a black screen and a crying 9 year old... "FIX IT MOM!!!"  It's been happening fore about a week now, and I've had enough.
 
Help?
 
Windows 7.  What else do you want to know? Oh... I'm not a computer idiot.  I can fix it if I know where to go.  Which I don't.
 
I'm going to bed.  I fully expect that someone will have hacked in and fixed it FOR ME by morning. Right? 
 
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(I had a little wine with dinner.  An unexpected Date with my sweetie.  Mom and Dad are visiting and took the kids.... so... I'm coming down off of that if I sound a little not as nice as usual...  Heaven help me, all I need is a single glass these days to get a headache.)
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    MNorman
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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 03:57:18 (permalink)
    Boot order is set in the bios routine. The screen should tell you on bootup which key you need to press to access it (it may be called Setup). Then, it should be pretty much self explanatory. Failing that, what kind of computer is it? Note: if you setup the boot order, and it changes itself back again, you may have a hardware failure in the motherboard - a battery or chip failure.
    post edited by MNorman - 2011/04/09 04:06:38
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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 04:47:29 (permalink)
    Hi Julibee,

    Sorry to hear about your PC problem. 

    MNorman is right--for the most part.  At boot up--look for the set up message.  You'll probably have to hit "Delete" or "F2". 

    Since the intro of SATA, you may have to go to a tab such as "Advanced" and also choose that SATA is the default boot interface.  BIOS may default back to PATA, if you tried to boot and it didn't see your SATA boot drive. 

    Once you have the right interface, chosen, you go to the tab that says something like "Boot Order" and set the drives the way you want them.

    Then you'll have "Exit and save changes". 

    You may have to do that several times.  I swapped drives connections and my PC kept trying to boot off a PATA drive until I figured out the interface trick.  It drove me nuts for a while! 

    If that doesn't work, then you may have a hardware problem. 

    Good luck,
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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 05:41:25 (permalink)
    If it is a hardware problem, you could try re-flashing the BIOS.
    You should be able to download a file from the motherboard
    manufacturers website. Follow the instructions very carefully.
    Or get someone more expert to do it.

    Could be also be a flat battery on the m/b, only seen this a half a dozen times
    times though in ~20 years.



    Of course, whenever system updates want to restart my computer - usually in the middle of the nigh


    You can change update options Control Panel-> System and Security-> Windows Update-> Change settings.
    Various options to set date/time, download but dont install, ask every time.

    I have mine turned off, and manually check each day, precisely to stop it doing it when I'm working on something.

    It could be another update program though. I find Apple updates (for Quicktime) particularly obnoxious, and Adobe
    updates always seem to result in a crash

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 06:42:21 (permalink)
    You should always have the sales person read your order back to you whenever you're getting shoes or boots. 
    ...Computer related?  This isn't about online shopping?  Oh...  Never mind.  My bad.

     
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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 08:23:25 (permalink)
    Do you have a CD sitting in the PC?

    Even if you have the CD drive listed first the system will skip it after it finds out that there is no CD.

    If the boot order actually changed recently do to some update or backup... just use the advice above and go into your BIOS and reset the order.

    Good Luck!


    best regards,
    mike



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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 09:17:49 (permalink)
    Do you have a CD sitting in the PC?

    Even if you have the CD drive listed first the system will skip it after it finds out that there is no CD.

    If the boot order actually changed recently do to some update or backup... just use the advice above and go into your BIOS and reset the order.


    Yeah, two things came to my mind when reading this the first time.  That was one of them, but figured the reason the issue happened so seldom was that it only happened when there was a CD in the drive.  The second, though, was that if she didn't flash the BIOS, there's no reason I can think of, off hand, that the BIOS Boot Order settings should get reset, unless there's a hardware failure.  I've built and owned probably 15 computers over the years (my first was an Atari 400) and have only seen a BIOS battery failure once.  But I have seen it once...
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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 09:23:12 (permalink)
    Yeah, should have been a bit clearer.

    Try the boot order thing, then if it doesn't do that
    then try flashing BIOS and replacing battery.

    Worth a shot, and if it works it'll save the cost of buying a new m/b!

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 09:49:45 (permalink)
    The mention of the backup program makes me think there is some weird small chance that the bios got reset by a backup program.

    I personally would only flash the bios as a very last resort.

    The MB battery should last between 3 and 6 years... I've had only one fail over the years.

    best regards,
    mike


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 10:14:11 (permalink)
     You can check to see if it's a windows error by going to Start> Run> type in msconfig  Go to boot ini tab, should be able to find and repair windows boot errors from there.

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 10:17:37 (permalink)
    ahh so you are suggesting that after bios it might be getting confused by the Windows boot sequence.

    Good catch!


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 10:19:42 (permalink)
    Yes, and I agree about BIOS flash as a last resort only.

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 11:55:03 (permalink)
    Good to see you around again, Julianna. I was beginning to think bapu had done something to frighten you away.


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 12:46:18 (permalink)
    F2 F2 F2 gotta be quick to see it sometimes??

    what PC? model?

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 13:01:39 (permalink)
    That's why I asked - it's not always F2...
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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 13:04:32 (permalink)
    yes but most late model PCs F2= Bios F12=boot order (set under BIOS)
    but you are correct, until Julie tells us her EXACT PC model we are in the dark as to help her

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 19:03:51 (permalink)
    It's "Julianna", not "Julie". "Julie" is a cheerleader. Julianna was one of those girls who beat cheerleaders up in the back of the bus.


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 23:04:29 (permalink)
    bitflipper


    It's "Julianna", not "Julie". "Julie" is a cheerleader. Julianna was one of those girls who beat cheerleaders up in the back of the bus.

    And you thought I could do something to scare here away?


    Never!


    She'd just beat me up in the back (or front) of the bus.


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 23:27:00 (permalink)
    Whew! Glad she's back. I thought my rap song scared her away.



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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 23:44:01 (permalink)
    I can NOT believe it's taken me an entire day to get back here and check up.  Argh.

    Bit's right, as usual.  Listen to the man... and keep your eye on the back of the bus... ;)  Oh, and I absolutely ADORE how you assume it was Bapu who scared me away.... HAHAHHAHA!  As if... You guys are too sweet.  All y'all.  :D

    First off, the pertinent information (no s****ing at the goofy girl, now.  I don't limit myself to beating up cheerleaders):

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    Hard Drive = WDC-WD6400AAKS-22A7B2

    That being said, (in regard to MNorman's first post), this is what I've been doing... on startup, F12 to access the boot order menu, arrow down to the Hard drive (which is the second option on the list) and <enter>.  Then, all is fine.  Windows goes zip bam boom, and I have no problems (until the next time the system is shut down).

    I'm not actually RESETTING the boot order in this step... just selecting something other than the default, I guess.  So why is the CD now the default?

    No, Mike... There are NO CDs in my drive upon start up.  So... after the initial BIOS screen flashes for a second, if I DON'T access the boot menu, I get nothing but a blank stare from the monitor as there are no boot instructions on the CD drive. 

    Thinking that MAYBE this happened after the back up discs were created... I have considered booting from the back up, but do NOT want to do so unless absolutely necessary. 

    See, there really aren't ANY issues with my hard drive, or my data or anything else.  Just that the boot order got screwy.    I think Jan is on to something, and that's what I'll attempt first. 

    Eric, you know Adobe DOES always seem to set me up for a crash... and sometimes the Quicktime as well.  I feel you, man.  Gonna hold out on re-flashing the BIOS until I see what Jan's idea gives me. 

    Didn't think to run msconfig, though, Grant... will be doing that in a second, too...  I can say though, that when I look at the boot order screen, it IS showing the CD drive as the first option, so I'd say it is not a Windows issue, but a BIOS one. 

    OK Then!  I'm off to check some things.  THANK YOU ALL! 

    /J

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 23:45:07 (permalink)
    SNICKERING!  I said SNICKERING and it **** me out!  WHA?????

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 23:46:15 (permalink)

    I liked it
    Good Luck Julianna, hope ya get it figured out minus the head ache 


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/09 23:53:43 (permalink)
    Sounds like maybe your bios battery is dead and your bios settings are going back to default upon reboot. Usually your CD-ROM is your default boot device iirc so if it keeps going back to that, the battery is the only thing I can think of.

    There is usually a setting to enable Windows to control your BIOS. Try turning that off and see if the boot order sticks? Could be something in Windows causing it too.
    post edited by Bub - 2011/04/09 23:57:12

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/10 00:11:24 (permalink)
    Hey, Jules  - there's a lot of good technical advice going on right now, so I thought I would offer you an alternate solution you can use if you get tired of sensible and logical behavior: 

     


    You can find the hammer under the front seat of the bus....


    post edited by Russell.Whaley - 2011/04/10 00:13:05




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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/10 00:15:26 (permalink)
    JAN WINS!!!!  YAY, JAN!

    And I say that hesitantly, but I did restart about 6 times, and I think it's working!

    Here's the deal-eo... if you care. 

    1. Went into the advanced BIOS settings (thanks for the prompt, Jan... I didn't know how on this newer machine, and the "helpful" features like "Quiet Boot" which does NOT show boot info and the one that turns OFF the BIOS checks were both enabled.  So I saw nothing, heard nothing and didn't know nothing, either... GAH!).

    2.  Realized that the Hard Drive IS the 1st Boot Device listed!  CD Is 2nd!  OH NO!  But wait!

    2.)  Restart... go to Boot Menu (F12.. the stand-alone boot menu.. not the Advanced BIOS)... see that HD is STILL second on the list... oh... errr.... Oh, hell.  Maybe the list is just alphabetical?  DAMMIT!

    3.)  Restart... go to Advanced BIOS (<Delete> on this machine, btw)... Look and see what ELSE might be happening...

    4.) OH!  HELLOOOOOO!  Hard Disk Priority is set to USB:HD as 1st priority and HDD:P3WDC is 2nd.  Flip those babies around, eh?

    5.  Restart.

    6. JOY.

    7.  Repeat 5 & 6 several times.

    YAY!
    Hugs and
    champagne all around....

    SO.  HAPPY.

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/10 00:22:06 (permalink)
    I think the CD being first is probably  correct that is what you want to check first if your HD does indeed crash and you need to boot from a boot disk, Maybe it is something in Ms config that will show you why it's not progressing as normal.

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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/10 08:11:08 (permalink)
    Great!  I learned that lesson the hard way and I won't forget it anytime soon.  I'm glad I could help, Julibee. 


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/10 08:12:53 (permalink)
    Great News.

    Thanks for sharing Juliana!!!

    :-)


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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/10 11:25:05 (permalink)
    Fantastic.  Might I suggest making some notes to keep by the computer.  If the HDD ever does crash (you do have an active backup, right?) you can use them to set the boot order back to CD first, then load a startup CD in the drive.  I would recommend leaving the boot drive the way it is, so that your nine year old doesn't have to wake you up again if a CD is left in the drive (been there, done that, bought the teeshirt factory)..
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    Re:Boot Order Fubar 2011/04/10 11:43:26 (permalink)
    Years ago I just gave up and used a Sharpie to write F2 on one of my monitor's fore brow.


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