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2012/08/31 10:19:31 (permalink)

Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed...

I read somewhere I should install one or the other, but not BOTH 32-bit and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco... but somehow that is what I did.
 
I also have BFD Eco DV, which is 32-bit only, and it is also part of my question, which is in two parts:
 
  1) Since I am running X1 in 64-bit, should I remove the BFD Eco dll from the (x86) vstplugins folder and re-scan?
 
  2) Looking at the .dll file sizes, I found the 32-bit version to be 8280 KB, while 64-bit was only 6940 KB? Eeehhh???
 
Jonesey, Beepster (or anyone with BFD Eco expertise) please chime in! I'm unsure what to do, but have been having some problems with X1 freezing/crashing ONLY when it involved one of the BFD Eco plug-ins. Wondered if I needed to get rid of the 32-bit, but can't understand why that .dll would be larger.
 
(BTW: I re-installed JBridge this AM and told the Plug-In Manager to load the 32-bit DV with that wrapper, but have not had time to test that yet.)
 
Thanks for any input!
 
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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 10:33:23 (permalink)
    Same scenario here.   I think both versions of the Eco VST are installed by default.
     
    But to be honest, it doesn't really bother me at all - I just choose Eco 64 and DV 32 (since that's all there is).   And I haven't found any issues so far doing this. 

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 11:33:16 (permalink)
    Thanks, Steve. If I weren't having some issues, I would do like you are doing and not sweat it.

    Anyone else have any ideas about the differing file size of the dll? Or any other thoughts?

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 12:07:19 (permalink)
    This happened to me also. I simply deleted the desktop icon for the 32 bit version of the stand alone version.

    In Sonar, it showed up straight away as a 64 bit plugin.  No need to Bitbridge or jBridge it. Personally i couldn't be bothered to delete the 32bit version, i'm not short of space.

    Its simple to check.  If you're on 64bit Sonar and you installed the 64 bit dll and ran the plugin manager, then try to put the dll in the Multi-dock. If you can do that, its the 64 bit version.

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 13:26:55 (permalink)
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    I read somewhere I should install one or the other, but not BOTH 32-bit and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco... but somehow that is what I did.
     
    I also have BFD Eco DV, which is 32-bit only, and it is also part of my question, which is in two parts:
     
      1) Since I am running X1 in 64-bit, should I remove the BFD Eco dll from the (x86) vstplugins folder and re-scan?
     
      2) Looking at the .dll file sizes, I found the 32-bit version to be 8280 KB, while 64-bit was only 6940 KB? Eeehhh???
     
    Jonesey, Beepster (or anyone with BFD Eco expertise) please chime in! I'm unsure what to do, but have been having some problems with X1 freezing/crashing ONLY when it involved one of the BFD Eco plug-ins. Wondered if I needed to get rid of the 32-bit, but can't understand why that .dll would be larger.
     
    (BTW: I re-installed JBridge this AM and told the Plug-In Manager to load the 32-bit DV with that wrapper, but have not had time to test that yet.)
     
    Thanks for any input!
     
    Joel
    I have both installed and both versions of sonar (32 & 64 bit) installed too.
    Sonar 64bit doesn't list Eco 32 bit and vice versa. When you load BFD Eco you can check the "About BFD Eco" from the question mark and it will tell you whether it's 32 bit or 64 bit.
    When using the plug in manager do yo8u see two versions of BFD Eco listed? I only see one and it's the 64 bit even though sonar can see both my vst folders.
    As for the file size it's  8280KB is only 8.25 Megabytes.


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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 14:51:38 (permalink)
    Hmmmm... the deeper I go, the weirder it gets.

    @twaddle: Steve, I am only running X1 64-bit, but the plug-in manager only shows BFD Eco 32-bit (as confirmed by the location of the dll).  I was able to get FXpansion to authorize the RENAMED 64-bit version (I renamed that dll "BFD Eco64"), and that NAME now appears in the list in plug-in mgr, but - again, confirmed by dll location - it is STILL the 32-bit version!!! What do I need to do to just lose the 32-bit version; simply delete that dll and re-scan again?

    @joakes: Jerry, your situation is obviously different, since you have both versions of Sonar installed. But if you are certain the 64-bit dll is 82.5MB, then my dll files somehow got reversed. Still digging...

    Thanks to all for your suggestions... if you have any more, please jump in!

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 14:54:36 (permalink)
    It's supposed to install both and I don't think you can opt out. I haven't tried it as a plug in yet but yeah... just make sure when using it to use the 64 bit version. Also I wouldn't remove those 32 bit files personally. They might be needed. As far as the BFD DV version I was a little weirded out that it's 32 bit as well but was told that it works fine without any fiddling around. Are you using multiple instances of BFD? Apparently you aren't really supposed to do that. Not sure why but I'm assuming it's a resource issue. Also did you install the audio data on a second drive or let it install on your C drive? That might be borking things up too. Sorry I can't be much more help. I have really haven't had a chance to really mess around with it as a plug. If you can't get it going you can always send FXpansion an email or call them. I almost did the other day but I figured out my issue on my own.
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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 14:56:37 (permalink)
    hmm... Maybe you should try reinstalling at this point. It really shouldn't be screwing around like that and fiddling with it might just make things worse.
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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 15:01:16 (permalink)
    And the reason I say leave the 32 bit stuff in place is because of the sizes you've just described. AFAIK the 64 bit version was built on top of/around the 32 bit version so it might have some internal JBridge type thing drawing from the 32 bit stuff. I'm just guessing though. Frankly I find all this 32 vs. 64 business very confusing.
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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 15:29:04 (permalink)
    I just had another thought, and I'm just guessing here. Perhaps if you launched the 32 bit version for your initial set up instead of the 64 bit maybe it's confusing Sonar. I'd try reinstalling, install the audio data to a secondary drive (if possible) then launch the 64 bit version as a standalone (if you don't see a desktop icon just go to the FXpansion folder in your programs menu and select the 64 bit version). Be sure to "Run As Administrator" then the click options menu button (not the Windows style dropdown but the button with the question mark) and select "Set Data Path". If you don't see the folder where you installed the audio data you need to select it manually (I forget the exact process but once you are in that dialogue it's easy to figure out and it is detailed in the manual). After you can see the data folder click that same question mark button and select "Rebuild Database". Then try using it as a plug in Sonar. Just a thought.
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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 16:47:00 (permalink)
    Beepster, thanks for all the ideas. I was hoping you would put in an appearance! Yeah, it's become so strange, I am thinking a reinstall may be the best solution, and I will certainly keep in mind all your great suggestions. Cheers!

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 22:00:36 (permalink)
    If you re-install then the installer will install the 32bit version first an then ask you where you want to put the 64bit, should you want to install it.

    I only have 64bit Sonar. It recognised the plugin 1st time. As i said, if it multi-docks then its 64bit.

    My set up is not special, just normal 64 bit !

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/08/31 22:26:53 (permalink)
    Because I use Vista 64 BFD eco 64 bit did not install and wont ever on its own. But that is another story.

    You don't need BDF eco DV at all. All you need are the samples. They can be brought into BFD eco. I did find a way to install BFD eco 64 bit and now I can choose which I want to load.

    If the 64 bit version was installed I would check where it was put and move it to the right folder. What I mean is it may have been put into a folder but in a sub folder that the installer decided to create in the folder you chose.The DLL and the 2 other files should be placed into the folder you want by copy and past. You don't need to rename it either. It will show up as BDF Eco where the 32 bit version will have 32 bit attached to the name.

    The 2 others files are BFD eco.map and BFD eco.pdb.

    Rescan and it should show up.

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    The install is the worst install I have ever had the displeasure to use. It would have been far easier to not use an installer and give us the files to drag into a folder. Further the installer does not support Vista 64 bit. To me that is an insult. They have no right in choosing which OS I want to use. Its a plugin for Pete's sake. The OS should not enter in to it. If the host is happy the plugin should be happy too.  

    Now that my rant is over it is a nice plugin.

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/09/01 08:22:19 (permalink)
    John


    Because I use Vista 64 BFD eco 64 bit did not install and wont ever on its own. But that is another story.

    You don't need BDF eco DV at all. All you need are the samples. They can be brought into BFD eco. I did find a way to install BFD eco 64 bit and now I can choose which I want to load.

    If the 64 bit version was installed I would check where it was put and move it to the right folder. What I mean is it may have been put into a folder but in a sub folder that the installer decided to create in the folder you chose.The DLL and the 2 other files should be placed into the folder you want by copy and past. You don't need to rename it either. It will show up as BDF Eco where the 32 bit version will have 32 bit attached to the name.

    The 2 others files are BFD eco.map and BFD eco.pdb.

    Rescan and it should show up.

    Comment:

    The install is the worst install I have ever had the displeasure to use. It would have been far easier to not use an installer and give us the files to drag into a folder. Further the installer does not support Vista 64 bit. To me that is an insult. They have no right in choosing which OS I want to use. Its a plugin for Pete's sake. The OS should not enter in to it. If the host is happy the plugin should be happy too.  

    Now that my rant is over it is a nice plugin.

    Apart from your issues with vista 64 bit not being supported and therefore not installing what else do you feel is wrong with the install process?
    I have no issues with either Eco or BFD2's installer and it seems just like any other to me. The installer found my sonar 32bit vst folder but I had to point it to the sonar 64bit vst folder but I've had to do that with all installers that come with both 32 & 64 bit versions.


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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/09/01 09:54:09 (permalink)
    John,

    OK, maybe for Vista, but I had zero problems installing on W7 64 bit. Honnestly. But each to his/her own system .-)

    OK, so you need to read the intructions, but W7 = zero problems.

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/09/01 10:56:49 (permalink)
    I installed the program (started with the 1.5 exe) for the first time last night, and it was a breeze. It does install both the 32 and 64bit by default. But I deleted the 32-bit dll and it is fine.

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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/09/01 11:03:58 (permalink)
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    Because I use Vista 64 BFD eco 64 bit did not install and wont ever on its own. But that is another story.

    You don't need BDF eco DV at all. All you need are the samples. They can be brought into BFD eco. I did find a way to install BFD eco 64 bit and now I can choose which I want to load.

    If the 64 bit version was installed I would check where it was put and move it to the right folder. What I mean is it may have been put into a folder but in a sub folder that the installer decided to create in the folder you chose.The DLL and the 2 other files should be placed into the folder you want by copy and past. You don't need to rename it either. It will show up as BDF Eco where the 32 bit version will have 32 bit attached to the name.

    The 2 others files are BFD eco.map and BFD eco.pdb.

    Rescan and it should show up.

    Comment:

    The install is the worst install I have ever had the displeasure to use. It would have been far easier to not use an installer and give us the files to drag into a folder. Further the installer does not support Vista 64 bit. To me that is an insult. They have no right in choosing which OS I want to use. Its a plugin for Pete's sake. The OS should not enter in to it. If the host is happy the plugin should be happy too.  

    Now that my rant is over it is a nice plugin.

    Apart from your issues with vista 64 bit not being supported and therefore not installing what else do you feel is wrong with the install process?
    I have no issues with either Eco or BFD2's installer and it seems just like any other to me. The installer found my sonar 32bit vst folder but I had to point it to the sonar 64bit vst folder but I've had to do that with all installers that come with both 32 & 64 bit versions.


    Steve


    I was thinking generally. I was thinking about the patching for X1 d. The trouble with updating Dim pro and the list goes on.

    Often installing is simple but when its not it can lead to rants. 

    BFD is a nice drum synth.

    Best
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    Re:Both 32- and 64-bit versions of BFD Eco installed... 2012/09/01 11:55:15 (permalink)
    BFD is a nice drum synth.

     
    +1.   Between BFD Eco, EZ Drummer and Session Drummer 3, right now Eco gets the nod as my favorite.  It's a really nice balance between ease of use and flexibility.
     
    Regarding Eco DV, I will continue to use that for cymbals since it offers more slots and therefore more cymbals.  If I ever have the cash to upgrade to the full BFD, then both Eco and Eco DV would no longer be needed.  Because if I could afford BFD I could probably afford the proper system to support it. 
     

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