Bounced Multiple Tracks Make a Single Audio File

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2015/11/02 12:09:32 (permalink)

Bounced Multiple Tracks Make a Single Audio File

This is sort of a small complaint, but more of a question out of curiosity.
 
Every week I multitrack our church service, so it's about 20-30 tracks recording for about 3 hours. Then I go in and start cutting it all down so I can export just the music. I select multiple tracks at ounce and do Bounce to Clips. I didn't realize this for a long time, but it actually bounces multiple tracks down to 2 single audio files, one for mono tracks and one for stereo tracks. I found out because I was having an issue with a track that got messed up somehow and so I went to reimport the bounced clip, then discovered that the audio from the bounced clip was contained in this one long file along with most of the other instruments. The other thing that I realized was that because of this bounce method, when I go to normalize all the tracks, the waveform image takes longer to load because it's loading from a single file, rather than being able to image multiple tracks at once.
 
So it's not a huge deal and I've only had the reimport problem the one time, but I'm just curious: Why is SONAR programmed to do this bounce-to-single-file method rather than bounce each track to its own file?
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    Beepster
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    Re: Bounced Multiple Tracks Make a Single Audio File 2015/11/02 12:27:12 (permalink)
    "Bounce to Track" is essentially and in project Mixdown/Export. It does what would happen if you used File > Export except the resulting mixdown appears in a new track (or whatever track you pointed the Bounce to). That means all selected tracks get mixed together into one track.
     
    If you just wanted to export the individual tracks you have to export them one at a time OR in the Export Dialog choose the "Tracks" option (which will show all the individual tracks you have selected and that are now available for individual export). Then when you export a file will be created for each track.
     
    I cannot recall if you have that option available for the Bounce to Tracks procedure as well (perhaps because they are very similar dialogs).
     
    If you want to separate segments of the project (like if there are five songs with a bunch of talking in between each all in long clips) what you have to do is the same as above (select the desired tracks) but before going to the export window do a Time Range selection on the Timeline (drag across the timeline AFTER you have selected the tracks) THEN go to the File > Export dialog (then choose Tracks) and then export. That should create individual files for each track that only span the time range you selected. Unfortunately you can only have on time range selection at once so you'd have to do it for each section you want to export.
     
    Again I am unsure whether those options are available for Bounce to Tracks.
     
    It's just the way the program is designed and it suits usual needs/workflows.
     
    I do however think the Export and Bounce stuff is a little more complicated/fiddly than it needs to be but it does work and is capable of a wide range of export/mixdown configurations. You just gotta read up on it a little. Took me quite some time to figure it all out.
     
    Cheers.
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    Re: Bounced Multiple Tracks Make a Single Audio File 2015/11/02 14:55:18 (permalink)
    I noticed you said normalize the tracks.  This is probably not what you really want to do.  You might just want to put a limiter / compressor on the master outs and export the final audio.  What are your final goals with the audio?  Are you making DVD's /CD's for the shut-ins? TV broadcast? MP3s for web?  Are you splitting single songs or leaving the whole music section together?
     
    Also - you do not have to bounce clips after you make edits - this takes a long time on material that is several hours and is probably not needed.  You can just export the final audio as a whole on in segments (songs).
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Bounced Multiple Tracks Make a Single Audio File 2015/11/02 15:14:16 (permalink)
    *Sigh* I was afraid this would happen. Don't worry, it is exactly what I want to do. I'll indulge your curiosity. 
     
    In this particular case I am exporting all of the music in one go, about 30 minutes of music total. The purpose is to allow the musicians to listen and critique their performance. It is mostly an afterthought and a courtesy, so speed is key so as not to take up a lot of time. So I trim out everywhere the band doesn't play, bounce all the clips to single clips so I don't have a bunch of individual clips, and normalize so that everything stays consistent across the entire 30 minutes. We rotate musicians and vocalists every week, and there's no one that can sit back at the DAW and monitor levels and adjust preamp gains on the interfaces, so normalizing allows me to keep the same plugins in the template and get similar results with only minimal adjustments. This weekly project has to be 30 minutes or less, so that's why I do it this way.
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    Re: Bounced Multiple Tracks Make a Single Audio File 2015/11/02 17:30:04 (permalink)
    Maybe what you want is "Bounce to Tracks"? (You have said both "bounce" and "export" so we're not sure.)
    First select the tracks you want bounced. Then select a range of time. In the 'tracks' dropdown select "bounce to track(s)" (what beepster referred to). In that dialog you can set the "source category" to tracks. Then it will bounce your chosen time range of each selected track into its own new track, no mixing. Is that what you want?
     
    Or did you want to "export" into a bunch of files? File->Export has the same "source category" selection and can create a file for each track, with made-up names.
    post edited by bvideo - 2015/11/02 17:42:51

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