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2017/01/31 19:38:30 (permalink)

Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes

With the last version or two, I've observed something strange. After recording my takes on a given track and then comping, I finish up with a final track that sounds fine. However, when I bounce that track to another track, all of the takes lanes play in the bounced track, i.e. both the selected parts and the unselected part of every take.
 
The only way I can avoid this is to Flatten Comp before bouncing. But I don't want to Flatten Comp before I bounce the track. I want it to behave as it did in the past, and simply bounce what I hear on that edited track to a new track.
 
Anyone else seen this, or perhaps solved it?
 
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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/01/31 20:43:11 (permalink)
im not sure the reasoning behind you not wanting to flatten the comp (maybe you want to re edit it).
but I always flatten my comps before doing anything else.
You might be able to unflatten it. I cant recall to be honest. have you tried ?

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/01/31 21:34:42 (permalink)
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With the last version or two, I've observed something strange. After recording my takes on a given track and then comping, I finish up with a final track that sounds fine. However, when I bounce that track to another track, all of the takes lanes play in the bounced track, i.e. both the selected parts and the unselected part of every take.
 
The only way I can avoid this is to Flatten Comp before bouncing. But I don't want to Flatten Comp before I bounce the track. I want it to behave as it did in the past, and simply bounce what I hear on that edited track to a new track.
 
Anyone else seen this, or perhaps solved it?
 
Thanks.




Haven't experienced it, and just tested...worked as expected. You may be getting tripped up by mute and solo settings in the Take Lanes.
 
If the problem persists, clone the track and bounce the clone to itself (i.e., bounce to clips).

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/01/31 23:44:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rob[at]Sound-Rehab 2017/02/01 01:58:40
Make sure Clip Automation is checked in Mix Enables section of the bounce dialog. I think this is required for clip muting to be applied.

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/02/01 00:22:20 (permalink)
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Make sure Clip Automation is checked in Mix Enables section of the bounce dialog. I think this is required for clip muting to be applied.


I just tested this solution and can confirm that Clip Automation must be checked to keep the muted takes out of the Bounced mix.
 
I couldn't find this information in any of the documentation.  It really needs to be in some FAQ somewhere.
 
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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/02/01 02:03:24 (permalink)
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im not sure the reasoning behind you not wanting to flatten the comp (maybe you want to re edit it).
but I always flatten my comps before doing anything else.
You might be able to unflatten it. I cant recall to be honest. have you tried ?




unflatten is easy. just delete the flattened comp and unmute the other take lanes ...
 
yet, flattening is a manual task (which I believe you can't do via quick grouping) ... so it makes sense e.g. to comp a multi-mic drum recording and then just export the tracks to save time / clicking ...
 
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Make sure Clip Automation is checked in Mix Enables section of the bounce dialog. I think this is required for clip muting to be applied.




thanks - I ran into that a while ago and was not quite sure which export setting this was hooked up to ... like the OP, back then I thought it was a bug as I had believed it would honour clip mute states by default.

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/02/01 12:25:50 (permalink)
Yeah, it's not really documented, but I think it's working as designed. There's only this in the Ref. Guide section on exporting:
 
     "If you don’t check Clip Automation, any trim settings are ignored during export."
 
'Trim' in this context means Gain, and I suspect that Gain=-Inf is used for clip muting internally.

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/02/01 13:57:35 (permalink)
Thanks all. Yes, it was Clip Automation being left unchecked.

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/02/01 13:59:43 (permalink)
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im not sure the reasoning behind you not wanting to flatten the comp (maybe you want to re edit it).
but I always flatten my comps before doing anything else.
You might be able to unflatten it. I cant recall to be honest. have you tried ?




It's a matter of taste in workflow, I guess.
 
I think of my original takes track as an archive, that I can go back to and extract things or fix things if I find a problem in the bounced track later during the process. For me, Flatten Comp is an extra step, and it makes it harder rather than easier to go back and find alternate takes and put them in the final track.

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/02/01 14:30:16 (permalink)
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yet, flattening is a manual task (which I believe you can't do via quick grouping) ... so it makes sense e.g. to comp a multi-mic drum recording and then just export the tracks to save time / clicking ...
 
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Actually, you can do flatten comp under quick grouping. I needed to do it on thirteen drum take tracks, so I decided to at least try it. It proceeds one track at a time, of course, so it can take a little while.

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Re: Bounced Track Plays All Take Lanes 2017/02/01 16:55:58 (permalink)
If you click the Help button on the Export dialog, you'll see this:
 
  • Clip Automation. If you don't check this option, any clip automation, including any trim settings, is ignored when creating the new track(s).
 
I highly recommend creating presets for export...makes life a lot easier.

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