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2008/05/23 06:07:02 (permalink)

Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks

I've bounced my MIDI drums to tracks, but can't get any sound from the new track.

What should the inputs and outputs be for the new drum audio track?

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/23 09:03:16 (permalink)
    inputs don't matter if you're not trying to record audio on top of them. outputs should be set to the master bus and the master bus should be set to the soundcard's output.

    is there a waveform in the audio track you just bounced to?

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/23 13:59:06 (permalink)
    No Beagle, no waveform in the clip

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/23 14:19:14 (permalink)
    I've tried to bounce midi to audio....it didn't work for me.... Midi track goes to TTS and tried to loop the output of TTS back to an audio track...no success....but there is a way to do this.... kind of a work around...here it is.

    Solo the drum track. TTS will also solo the drum track. Export the audio as a wave. Select the export preset "What you hear". When you play it (the wave file) all you should hear is the drums in the wave file. Insert a new audio track in the project and import the wave file into the new track....you have just successfully "bounced" midi to audio.

    That's my way of doing it....takes just a few minutes and your done.

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/23 15:04:26 (permalink)
    that's a tedious way of bouncing.

    not sure why bouncing doesn't work for you herb, I do it all the time, especially since 90% of my music is MIDI driven.

    rob - if there's not a waveform in the audio track you bounced to, then it didn't work right.

    make sure that when you're bouncing, you highlight both the MIDI and the DX OUTPUT tracks before selecting EDIT>BOUNCE TO TRACKS

    here's a visual tutorial:

    we're going to bounce the BASS GUITAR MIDI track. It uses TTS-1. notice the output of the MIDI track is set to the TTS-1 and the patch is set to Fretless Bass



    Now, SOLO the MIDI Bass track and the TTS-1 DX OUTPUT Track (in this case track 1).
    then click on the number beside the MIDI Bass track and it will turn a different color from the rest (it won't be exactly as mine because I have customized my colors)
    then press the CONTROL key on the keyboard at the same time you're clicking on the number beside the TTS-1 DX OUTPUT track (in this case, track 7)
    notice that the MIDI TRACK DATA (the waveform window) also turns dark grey for tracks which are highlighted.



    Now, select EDIT>BOUNCE TO TRACKS



    a new window will pop up asking you for parameters. NEW TRACK as the DESTINATION should already be default. just leave it there.
    change the SOURCE CATEGORY to TRACKS
    make sure the CHANNEL FORMAT is STEREO
    and change the DITHERING to NONE (you don't need to dither for bouncing synths unless you KNOW why you need dithering)
    click OK



    after clicking OK, the progress bar will start at the bottom of the main MC/cakewalk window. if you don't have any data being sent to the softsynth, then this progress bar will move REALLY fast. if there's data, it will take a few seconds to finish, sometimes even a couple of minutes.



    after the progress bar is finished, you should notice that cakewalk will insert the new AUDIO track at the bottom of your list of tracks (with the number it assigned from the window, in my case was 21). you should also notice now that this track will have AUDIO WAVEFORM in the track view and you should notice that the OUTPUT of this track defaults to the soundcard. you should make sure and change the output to the MASTER BUS (because I know everyone uses a master bus, right???? )



    Now you're going to want to ARCHIVE the BASS MIDI track because you don't want both tracks sending sound to the master bus. you don't want to DELETE the MIDI track, just in case you ever want to come back and change the bass track.



    notice that you must make sure that ONLY the track(s) you want to archive are highlighted (different color track number) if you leave BOTH tracks highlighted from the bouncing, then BOTH tracks will be archived, and you'll not get any more sound out of the TTS-1 softsynth for any OTHER MIDI tracks which might be sending data to it.



    now you may want to HIDE your ARCHIVED MIDI track just to get it out of your way. hit "M" on your keyboard and it will bring a menu up. you can then choose which tracks to hide/unhide, etc.

    HTH!
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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/23 15:59:45 (permalink)
    Excellent post thanks Beagle, very grateful.

    I'll try exactly that when I get home from work (nightshift again at the mo)

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/24 10:43:30 (permalink)
    That's my drums bounced gentlemen, many thanks again.

    Quick un - with all the tracks now converted to audio, what do I do with the TTS-1 track? Shouldn't need that now yea?
    post edited by rob.pulman - 2008/05/24 10:45:35

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/24 10:48:11 (permalink)
    Just archive it, Rob.
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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/24 10:49:41 (permalink)
    Yep cheers Mamabear

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/24 10:50:58 (permalink)
    Nope....you can delete it if you want. You can always reload it if you need it....

    Beagle....I'm gonna try that too....to see if it works in MC4.

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/24 10:51:32 (permalink)
    Sure. I didn't mean that to be so short--must have hit enter too soon. Anyway, if you want to edit the midi track later, you'll need that synth track too. That's what I meant to say.
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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2008/05/24 12:58:04 (permalink)
    Herb - that should work for ALL cakewalk products which use softsynths.

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2009/03/09 16:55:36 (permalink)
    Ah thanks Beagle!
    Great tutorial, with pictures too!!!!

    Thank you man
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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2009/03/09 18:41:27 (permalink)
    NP!

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2009/03/09 19:07:01 (permalink)
    One thing i do at times is to delte the midi and stuff after i bounce, but I then save with a different name, like song1 or songaud. then if i want to go back and change stuff I can, or just keep working with the audio tracks.

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 18:16:41 (permalink)
    Hello Beagle.  I've tried to follow your instructions on the forum for bouncing midi to audio.  I haven't been able to do it.  I have a Windows 7 machine and Sonar Home Studio 7 XL.  When I select an empty audio track to bounce to, the input only has the option of "none" or 6 different microphones.  If I select none, it automatically changes to a microphone setting when I enable record. 
    I haven't been able to find the selections that you have in this tutorial for sound card settings.  If I rightclick the speaker icon on my windows toolbar, I can select playback devices, recording devices, sounds, volume control options, and volume mixer.  I can't find anything that allows me to select an ability to record what plays throught the speakers. 
     
    Consequently, after working with the midi, I haven't been able to add it to a final mix.  Any advice?
    Dennis
     
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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 20:07:31 (permalink)
    I find it easier when that circumstance happens to freeze the track then clone the resulting wave to another track then unfreeze track and mute or archive the midi and its audio counterpart if your happy with the result.  Sometimes bouncing wasn't working even though I could hear the output it would record it with almost no volume or none (what's the differnce LOL).  Other times it did work which seemed purely random, very frustrating.  Hence I got happy with the workaround.  Other way would be as mentiond to export audio (main outputs) with just the drums playing and than import it back.
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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 20:12:42 (permalink)
    Hey Janet don't look so surprised!!  


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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 20:49:10 (permalink)
    Surprised?  I think I was trying to get my 2 rambunctious grandsons to settle down for a Christmas picture at that point.  lol
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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 20:52:19 (permalink)
    That would certainly do it!! Little rascals i have two small ones as well. If only i could bottle that energy!

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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 20:53:19 (permalink)
    No kidding! 

    How did this 2 1/2 year old thread get bumped anyway? lol
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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:01:01 (permalink)
    Beats me!

    I'd Seize the day but i can't quite reach it!

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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:02:03 (permalink)
    I haven't been over here in quite awhile, obviously.  How's it going?
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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:10:01 (permalink)
    Pretty good these days, been working on a few tunes. I just posted a cover here and at the songs forum. Working on a CD for the wife, she wants me to record a bunch of oldies that i play live with.

    I'd Seize the day but i can't quite reach it!

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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:12:00 (permalink)
    That's great!  I'll get over to the songs forum soon...I've got some to catch up with. 
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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:14:21 (permalink)
    Not enough time in the day, seems!

    I'd Seize the day but i can't quite reach it!

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    Re: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:16:36 (permalink)
    Exactly!
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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:18:15 (permalink)
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    Hello Beagle.  I've tried to follow your instructions on the forum for bouncing midi to audio.  I haven't been able to do it.  I have a Windows 7 machine and Sonar Home Studio 7 XL.  When I select an empty audio track to bounce to, the input only has the option of "none" or 6 different microphones.  If I select none, it automatically changes to a microphone setting when I enable record. 
    I haven't been able to find the selections that you have in this tutorial for sound card settings.  If I rightclick the speaker icon on my windows toolbar, I can select playback devices, recording devices, sounds, volume control options, and volume mixer.  I can't find anything that allows me to select an ability to record what plays throught the speakers. 
     
    Consequently, after working with the midi, I haven't been able to add it to a final mix.  Any advice?
    Dennis
     
    You're using the stock computer sound card?
    In SONAR, try changing the outputs of your audio tracks (and the soft synths' audio tracks, too) to buses. If there are no buses, they won't show up on the options list to choose them.
    Assuming you don't already have buses set up...

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:21:21 (permalink)
    So.... Janet, you decided to take the Christmas tree down after all......

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    RE: Bouncing MIDI drums to tracks 2011/02/19 21:25:08 (permalink)
    Yeah, got too many complaints.  lol
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