Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes....

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2011/08/31 15:18:25 (permalink)

Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes....

For some reason every time I bounce a track that contains pan and gain envelopes the bounced track will play back centered with no pan and no gain.  Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I've checked the automation on my bounce to track window.

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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 16:21:00 (permalink)
    Any chance that track is going thru a bus ?

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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 16:35:48 (permalink)
    Make sure the "Track Automation" option is checked in the Bounce to Track dialog.


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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 16:46:49 (permalink)
    The track is set up to go sent straight to mains. And yes, the track automation is checked on the bounce window.

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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 17:03:10 (permalink)

    You don't use a Master Bus?

    Are any of your Bounce To Track options different from the ones in the image below? 




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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 17:11:09 (permalink)
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    The track is set up to go sent straight to mains. And yes, the track automation is checked on the bounce window.

    you should never go straight to the soundcard.  that means you are summing your tracks at the soundcard instead of inside sonar.  that way it's likely you will get digital overs if you can't see what your peaks are hitting at the sum.
     
    I know that doesn't help your problem, but I had to chime in when you said you weren't going through a main bus.

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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 17:28:31 (permalink)
    Well I don't know if this makes any difference but it's a mono track so I'm bouncing it down to mono. Everything else is checked as in the pic, (except for audible bounce and I don't have a live input as in the pic).
     
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    That's good to know. I have always done this when I don't have any plug-gin effects on the track. Never experienced any noticeable issues, (but than again I'm not that good at doing mastering and mixing).

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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 17:53:56 (permalink)
    you can control the peaks and the RMS if you use a master bus and sum there instead of at the soundcard, if you sum at the soundcard you have no control over the level of the output.

    can I ask why you need to bounce your track to a new track with the pan and gain printed?  I can't think of a reason it shouldn't work if you have the correct checkbox checked like you said above, but I also can't think of a reason that it's necessary to bounce to a new track.  maybe if you explained what you were trying to accomplish there I might be able to come up with a work around for you.

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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 17:54:50 (permalink)
    If you want to use panning in the final track shouldn't it be stereo?
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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 18:36:32 (permalink)
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    can I ask why you need to bounce your track to a new track with the pan and gain printed? Maybe if you explained what you were trying to accomplish there I might be able to come up with a work around for you.

     
    Well I have some awkward methods. I punch record minor parts like minor percussion, vocals, strings. Only problem with that is that if I were to send my waves to a different studio that does not use Sonar, then one has to figure out were to place the small wave, (I know how. But to save time it's easier to have one long wave that just starts at 1:01:000).
     
    So a part that is only a few bars long and is somewhere in the middle of the song is OK in Sonar. But since I may send it out to another studio for a real engineer to work on, I'm thinking it should begin at 1:01:000.
     
    So I assume I should bounce the track down to make one long wave that begins at the beginning of the song. But now I've come up against this problem. These small parts have minor automation, (pan & gain).
     
    But mainly for now, I'm thinking of some final editing before sending it out like re-arranging and shortening vamps and codas, repeats. This involves cutting and pasting so it's easier to work with big waves than small parts which can easily get lost. (I've done this and deleted parts and automation in the past and then I did another stupid thing....I saved it arrrhhggg!!! ).
     
    Don't want to go through that again.


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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 18:38:55 (permalink)
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    If you want to use panning in the final track shouldn't it be stereo?
     
     
    I don't know? Not that well versed in this.


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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 18:41:24 (permalink)
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    If you want to use panning in the final track shouldn't it be stereo?
     
     
    I don't know? Not that well versed in this.

    Try bouncing down to stereo and see if it makes any difference.
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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 20:29:22 (permalink)
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    If you want to use panning in the final track shouldn't it be stereo?
     

    I don't know? Not that well versed in this.

    Try bouncing down to stereo and see if it makes any difference.
     
     
    Yep! That's the ticket. If I bounce it down to stereo it will pan and gain as I wrote it on the envelopes. You's guys are awesome!


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    Re:Bouncing a track will not give me my pan or gain envelopes.... 2011/08/31 20:52:46 (permalink)
    Dreamer
     
    Yep! That's the ticket. If I bounce it down to stereo it will pan and gain as I wrote it on the envelopes. You's guys are awesome!

    I thought that might work. Glad to see your problem resolved. 
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