mlacons
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Bringing back perfect space
I grew quite fond of perfect space over the years and I like it better than the currently shipping alternative, ReMatrix.
Is there any chance that perfect space could be spun off and made downloadable without installing all of Sonar 2 or 3 just to get it?
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 04:01:14
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As far as I know, your only option is to do a minimum install of a previous version of SONAR and just install PS.
You don't even need the core program.
But I will say, I've had better results with Rematrix than I ever did with PS.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 04:25:47
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If you are running 64 bit Sonar I would look for a 64 bit alternative.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 07:59:12
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PerfectSpace had a few tricks that REMatrix doesn't have, such as triggered pan automation. If I still had any of my old projects, I'd definitely go to the trouble of digging PS out of my 8.5 disks. But as I'm starting from scratch, going forward I don't see any reason why Rematrix won't fill the bill just fine. PerfectSpace was a "lite" version of Voxengo's Pristine Space product, which Aleksey has end-of-lifed due to weak sales and as such was never compiled to 64 bits, VST3 or AAX. However, it is still available as a download.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 09:22:01
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I'm pretty sure you can use the impulses from Perfect Space in ReMatrix Solo, not at my music computer to test at the moment.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 09:30:16
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I was a big fan of Perfect Space....until I tried ReMatrix.
seriously, just give it a try.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 09:46:18
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I do not recall if SONAR 2 or 3 have the advanced install option. I know more recent versions of SONAR do. The basic/advanced option is one of the first screens in the install process. An advanced option provides a checklist of the components to install. This would allow installation of PerfectSpace only. That said, I stopped using PerfectSpace some time ago because it was not getting updates and was stuck at 32bit. I like the full REmatrix but prefer MMultiBandConvolution when working with my own IR files mostly because the plug-in does not rely on a database instead using the OS file system for IR organization. In this respect, MMultiBandConvolution is like PerfectSpace. The plug-in often goes on sale for 50% off.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 10:00:14
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scook
I like the full REmatrix but prefer MMultiBandConvolution when working with my own IR files mostly because the plug-in does not rely on a database instead using the OS file system for IR organization. The way ReMatrix Solo handles IRs is indeed pretty clumsy. I was hoping the full version did it better, but it sounds like it works the same way.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 10:14:02
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The full version of REmatrix still relies on importing IRs into SQLite. AFAIK, all Overloud products which include a convolver import user IRs into the plug-in's storage space instead of reading them directly from the user folder.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 11:19:59
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I should look into these Impulse reverb's,, I sort of understand what they are but have never tried them. I'm in an experimental mode right now and I'm for once in a few years am trying all those "other" options in my effects list.
Last night I tried both Breverb and the Blueverb, I found them edgy with very digital tails. Sound fine on a fast songs but suck on ballads.
So I returned to my trusty Lexicon which for some reason is on the "uncategorised" list??
I see "Perfect Space 32" but I'm not about to go backwards to 32 bit effects. But that said what is the Lexicon? 64 bit?
I don't see a REmatrix on my list I guess you folks are talking about a none included plugin.
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scook
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 11:31:22
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I would guess the Lexicon is uncategorized because the plug-in is not included in a recent version of SONAR. I did not install it on my newest machine, IIRC it is a DX plug-in so it must be 64bit to show up in a 64bit host. FWIW, all 32bit VST plug-ins are indicated as 32bit in the plug-in list.
REmatrix Solo is a PC module.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 12:23:02
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Cactus Music
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 12:29:52
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Ah ha! I see I do have 8.5 installed on this laptop so that explains the Lexicon.
I also have a real Lexicon 200. It is supposed to work as a plug in via USB but they never updated the software and I believe it only runs on XP 32 bit. I sometimes patch it in with analogue but it's a PITA. Too bad because there is certainly better sounding reverbs in the hardware.
Pro channel is something I have never found useful, everything I try seems like it makes no change to the sound. I must be doing something wrong but I've tried over and over and I guess I just don't get it. So I'll just have to read the instruction documents and stop trying to make it work by pushing all the buttons :}
The other one I'm struggling with is the reverb in AD2. Talk about not user friendly. I've yet to adjust it so it makes any improvements.. more reading I guess...
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 12:35:16
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Cactus Music
I don't see a REmatrix on my list I guess you folks are talking about a none included plugin.
Check your ProChannel!
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 13:27:29
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2016/10/22 20:19:36
...and also check out my "idealized" IR impulses that were part of one of the updates. They were synthesized so they're super-smooth, with a "tail" and overall sound that lacks the irregularities of a real-world impulse.
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/22 16:35:26
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☄ Helpfulby seriousfun 2016/10/23 18:36:17
Also, check out Reverberate by Liquidsonics - that's a really good IR reverb, and not too expensive.
UPDATE - OK it's £80 now. It used to be cheap, and I got a cheap upgrade to ver 2. It is a good IR reverb though...
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Re: Bringing back perfect space
2016/10/23 18:39:54
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Yes, when it looked like PS wouldn't be updated, I looked for 64 bit alternative and bought Reverberate (and of course Cakewalk threw in Rematrix...).
Liquidsonics supplied some great impulses, you just tell it where your folders are and it finds them (no importing necessary) and it is what they call True Stereo, with some fantastic, spacious convolutions of real spaces. It also has controls for everything, down to the smallest detail.
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