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Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
Brio Latin Percussion EnsembleBrio has an 8 channel drum machine style Pattern sequencer that is easy to use and just plain fun! We give you 21 Patterns to get you started. Also included is Brio Ensemble, an instrument that maps all of Brio's sounds on the keyboard at one time for easy access. Instruments included- High Conga Low Conga Bongos Timbales(2) Djembe Tamborine(2) Guiro(2) Cabasa Egg Shaker Tube Shaker Claves(3) Cowbells(3) Castanets The Congas, Bongos, Djembe, and Timbales are all tunable and have 3x round-robin in an irregular pattern. Congas and Bongos have 10 velocity layers, the Djembe and Timbales have 8, and the smaller percussion pieces vary. for Kontakt 4, 5 $ 42 USD 0.5 MB Download https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9e190W87TM#t=11 http://indiginus.com/
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/09 15:22:29
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Looks to be another goodie from Indiginus. Will be looking forward to this Latin Ensamble.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/09 16:51:19
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This looks like it'll be a lot of fun. I like to use shakers and congas and such, but playing them live is hit-and-miss, loops are too limiting, and playing them on the keyboard or plugging them in via the PRV is tedious. A sequencer like this might be just the ticket for repetitive percussion patterns.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/09 18:08:40
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This will likely get placed into my basic multi presets along with SSS.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/09 20:13:51
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Looks pretty yummy. And their prices are usually very reasonable. Me likey.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 09:22:13
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bitflipper A sequencer like this might be just the ticket for repetitive percussion patterns.
AKA Loops....
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 11:03:33
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Nah, loops <> repetitive patterns. They're repetitive, true. But a hassle to edit. To successfully use loops, you've got two options: - maintain a huge collection and spend hours sifting through them in hopes of finding the right one, or - resign yourself to some generic, good-enough selection that more-or-less works OK if you don't listen too closely The problem usually isn't with the patterns themselves. After all, there are only so many shaker and tambourine patterns. Where loops fail to fit is in the dynamics. Maybe you want the accent on a different beat, or to be more or less prominent, have a second accent, or alternating accents/articulations.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 11:21:31
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I didn't see but hope there's an Ostinatum patterns function, where you can edit, save & import. If not it'll be a feature request.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 11:32:22
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bitflipper Nah, loops <> repetitive patterns. They're repetitive, true. But a hassle to edit. To successfully use loops, you've got two options: - maintain a huge collection and spend hours sifting through them in hopes of finding the right one, or - resign yourself to some generic, good-enough selection that more-or-less works OK if you don't listen too closely The problem usually isn't with the patterns themselves. After all, there are only so many shaker and tambourine patterns. Where loops fail to fit is in the dynamics. Maybe you want the accent on a different beat, or to be more or less prominent, have a second accent, or alternating accents/articulations.
I know Bit..........just yankin yer chain a bit.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 16:32:51
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bitflipper Nah, loops <> repetitive patterns. They're repetitive, true. But a hassle to edit. To successfully use loops, you've got two options: - maintain a huge collection and spend hours sifting through them in hopes of finding the right one, or - resign yourself to some generic, good-enough selection that more-or-less works OK if you don't listen too closely The problem usually isn't with the patterns themselves. After all, there are only so many shaker and tambourine patterns. Where loops fail to fit is in the dynamics. Maybe you want the accent on a different beat, or to be more or less prominent, have a second accent, or alternating accents/articulations.
I will get this instrument as I am completely addicted to all the Latin and hand percussion stuff (real and virtual), and like having a variety of ways to do things; but let me make a comment about using the audio loops. I do have an extensive collection and a reasonable knowledge of what I have, and that cuts auditioning time. But I also generally modify them and don't find it much of a hassle. Changing the emphasized beats or placements is pretty easy in the Sonar Loop Editor to get the dynamics right as a groove. After I finish the song with loops (and some single hits), I'll bounce the whole percussion track to a non-looped clip, then have AudioSnap slice the whole thing at the transients. Then, I'll go back through and edit selected single slices sometimes by pitch shifting just a tad, reversing a slice, altering gain, or deleting, or whatever, all in the context of the song. It generally is pretty quick.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 16:46:45
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I'm not that fussy. Loops, patterns, actual tracks via a percussionist. They're all fine as long as it works in the tune.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 20:18:50
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NeuroRon Changing the emphasized beats or placements is pretty easy in the Sonar Loop Editor to get the dynamics right as a groove.
I guess I'm going to have to revisit the Loop Editor. I've got a few loop libraries but they've just been taking up disk space. Maybe I've been missing out.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 20:45:50
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Here's my take Bit... loops can be a source of inspiration for some, but I don't think they are for everyone. I've tried, since the first release of Acid, to make loops do something useful. In all that time I've had one thing I liked, an orchestral bit no less, using one of Sound Forge's libraries.
I've also tried using looped percussion in otherwise more conventional projects. But I usually end up editing the poor things to the point where it would have been quicker to just play the parts it<G>! The idea behind loops makes sense - they are recordings of performances. Just like I end up using CineOrch in almost every orchestral project because it adds that little bit of glue that only happens when a bunch of players sit in the same room and, well, play.
But I just can't seen to make it work with loops... if you figure out the secret please share!
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 20:56:21
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I swore that I would not buy another piece of gear, this year! Oh well, this is not the first lie I've told myself!
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/10 21:59:23
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At least I'm not alone in my loop aversion. All I really want is to take some of the drudgery out of shakers, congas, bongos and tambourines. Sometimes, I think "hmm, I wonder what a tambourine would do for that chorus..." and then after an hour of painstakingly hand-planting MIDI notes decide that nah, that's not what it needed. Tracy's Brio sounds like it might be just the ticket, and I'm sure it'll be very reasonably priced for us po' folk.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/11 07:34:26
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The idea that playing a percussion part is drudgery seems counter-musical. Just pick one up and play the darn thing into a microphone. If it takes more than one pass... you need the practice. :-) Tambourines start at $3. Shakers can be cheaper than walking a soup can to the recycle bin. Every one should own their own hand drum... just saying.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/11 10:54:03
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You're right, Mike, but missing my point. I have a tambourine. I have multiple shakers and maracas. I can even play them reasonably well - for 30 seconds or so, then my timing starts getting shaky and the dynamics become increasingly inconsistent. But I won't know if they're really what the song needs until afterward. On many occasions I have inserted sampled shakers and deferred the decision to use them until the final mix, and only then put up a mic to record them.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/11 11:47:33
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"...I won't know if they're really what the song needs until afterward." That idea perplexes me. As an aside; Have you ever watched the video about Tom Petty and the Damn the Torpedos album?: ""Jim Keltner was in the hallway with the shaker," he (sic Tom Petty) recalls. "He was standin' outside the door playin' this, and I came out and Jim said: 'This is what that track needs.' So Jim Keltner came in... and put this shaker on, which, believe it or not, if you put the drums on [adjusts the sound] it's okay, but it's not really got the mojo, you know. So, Jim Keltner, we owe him a lot."" Anyways... I'm just throwing out an idea... not looking to force a disagreement. All the best, mike
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/11 12:02:22
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I remember that scene Mike, that was a great video. For myself it can be a simple case the creative process vs necessity or both. Many times I've written or developed a tune out of a basic shaker perc part or groove, sometimes it's after the fact. Sometimes I totally remove the initial perc track altogether. How you arrive at the end result shouldn't be the issue, just as long as you get there.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/11 13:10:21
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bitflipper At least I'm not alone in my loop aversion. Not alone at all!!! bitflipperAll I really want is to take some of the drudgery out of shakers, congas, bongos and tambourines. That's what I keep thinking... although I wouldn't have called it drudgery, just a LOT of extra work (set up microphones, dig out hand percussion toys, play them... when I put it that way it doesn't seem like a lot of work<G>!) bitflipperI have a tambourine. I have multiple shakers and maracas. I can even play them reasonably well - for 30 seconds or so, then my timing starts getting shaky and the dynamics become increasingly inconsistent. I'm in the same boat, but I've learned to get 16 or 32 bars of a couple patterns and then re-use them cause no one will notice! bitflipperBut I won't know if they're really what the song needs until afterward. On many occasions I have inserted sampled shakers and deferred the decision to use them until the final mix, This is where I part ways with you good sir, or at least I try to. I've spoken before about the 'benefit' of low track counts in the days of old. You had to really think through the process, and more-or-less hear the finished track before you started. I try to do that now, but it is very easy to be seduced by unlimited tracks, unlimited processors, sampled instruments, etc. Very easy! bitflipperand only then put up a mic to record them. So this is my 'trick' to try to manage my laziness. I have two amplifiers with microphones placed, the guitars are always out and tuned, and there are a couple other microphones set up for whatever else I might want to record. In theory all I need to do is select the right input, arm the track, and go. It doesn't keep me from being lazy every time, but it does help.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/11 15:45:08
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Most folks who think they can play most any instrument well enough to sound professional on a recording are simply deluding themselves. And it shows in the product they turn out. And percussion is a great example of this. It is deceptively difficult to play correctly, in time and with feel. A tool like Brio is IMHO a great addition to anyone's kit.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/11 16:02:27
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Is NI's Cuba any good for percussion?
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2014/09/11 16:25:32
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yorolpal Most folks who think they can play most any instrument well enough to sound professional on a recording are simply deluding themselves. And it shows in the product they turn out. And percussion is a great example of this. It is deceptively difficult to play correctly, in time and with feel. A tool like Brio is IMHO a great addition to anyone's kit.
So true. Brings back old club memories where sloshed bozo's would ask our drummer to let them play the Wipe Out solo.
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2014/09/11 16:43:34
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Cuba is very good...but limited. Which was it's intention.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/12 01:57:36
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I still like the Luis Conte kits in Kitcore for Latin percussion, they are the main reason I pre ordered Drumcore 3 LE. (Still no sign of it, I trying hard not to do a CCLarry here.) It seems I could emulate the features in Biro with Cakewalk's step sequencer and the Maitix, not that I have ever used the matrix.
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2014/09/12 09:01:00
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Actually, I think you can. I've never used the Matrix View either, but I've seen it done in a demonstration by Seth Perlstein. He put the bass parts in that way, too. Made a whole song using the step sequencer and matrix. I thought it was pretty clever. Not a technique I'd use, but clever. I do use the step sequencer often, but just for click tracks. I think it just might do an adequate job for stuff like this. At least, as a quick 'n dirty starting point. I'll have to give it a try with the Jamstix Percussion Pack, my usual go-to library for tambourines and shakers.
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/12 13:29:34
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Last month I was in a Muse's Muse Collaboration contest - long story short I was doing a song which lyrically and musically Cuban influenced. I ended up buying NI Cuba and while I liked it and , after a few bumps in the road was comfortable working with it, never ended up using it. The Tres was okay but i ended up using a real acoustic 12 string, NI Session Horns for the trumpets and the percussion was a combination of Toontrack LP Ezx, SD2 and various maracas loops - all edited of course - Here it is if interested (The song is called "Leaving Bayamo": http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=385038&songID=12884742
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/12 20:46:30
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I'm really happy about this thread. It reminded me about Solid State Symphony. Boy that is a load of fun. I found out I was on version 1_2, and the new version is 1_4. I shot an email to Terry, and Brenda, got back to me really quickly, and supplied me with the new version. I want Brio, for a number of reasons. As Bit, said, it looks like you can quickly lay down a nice percussion part. But I'm going to purchase it, also because Terry makes some amazing instruments for Kontakt, that are not only incredibly useful, fun to play, but are also amazingly, and reasonably priced! Thanks Terry, and Brenda!!!
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Re: Brio Latin Percussion Ensemble | Indiginus
2014/09/12 22:18:12
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Glyn Barnes (Still no sign of it, I trying hard not to do a CCLarry here.)
oh go ahead...it's fun to watch all the "detractive" reasoning that follows... We must defend the corporate giants who are so mistreated and so misunderstood The poor, poor CEO's might not get that 500 million bonus if we don't buy their software and tell them to stick it "where the sun don't shine", and we just simply CANNOT have that!
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