chaunceyc
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Browser - dragging projects into a project
I thought this would be a good way to retrofit some of my old tracks with new instruments and routing/busses or to recreate a setup from an old track in a new track. I tried dragging an existing project from the browser into an open project, but found that it didn't create the bus setup from the source project in the target project, nor did it add any of the synth rack objects from the source project. Am I missing something here, or do I really have to create a track template using the source track for this work properly by using the "insert from track template" action? Given the limited data that came in and the random routing assignment the imported tracks get, I can't see much use for having the project browser allowing you to drag a project into a project. It seemed like every source midi/instrument track gets routed to exiting synth rack objects randomly.
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ba_midi
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Re:Browser - dragging projects into a project
2011/10/18 10:31:54
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Hmm, interesting. I was under the impression that one COULD drag an entire project into another project and it would work out the right configuration. I'm not at my DAW to check though. What version are you trying this in? C or "Expanded"?
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chaunceyc
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Re:Browser - dragging projects into a project
2011/10/18 12:12:55
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I haven't pulled the trigger to get Expanded, so using X1C. According to the help manual I'm doing it the right way - dragging the project into the track view below existing tracks. I am definitely not up to speed on X1C yet, (as it just became functional for me in October), so still picking my way through how to accomplish the most basic things in this brave new world. I'm considering this a probationary period to see if I can get my workflow back up to what it once was with the new layouts/keystrokes/menus. In my attempt to un/retrain a decade+ of Sonar muscle memory, I'm going cold turkey (no fallback install of 8.5.3) Right now, it is extremely slow-going...work 2 minutes, spend 10 minutes trying to find the equivalent keystrokes or location of functions of things that used to be automatic for me, add it to my keybindings or template / screenset to-do list. I'm working my way through the Groove 3 and Craig Anderton videos and hoping for the best.
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ba_midi
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Re:Browser - dragging projects into a project
2011/10/18 12:43:12
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chaunceyc I haven't pulled the trigger to get Expanded, so using X1C. According to the help manual I'm doing it the right way - dragging the project into the track view below existing tracks. I am definitely not up to speed on X1C yet, (as it just became functional for me in October), so still picking my way through how to accomplish the most basic things in this brave new world. I'm considering this a probationary period to see if I can get my workflow back up to what it once was with the new layouts/keystrokes/menus. In my attempt to un/retrain a decade+ of Sonar muscle memory, I'm going cold turkey (no fallback install of 8.5.3) Right now, it is extremely slow-going...work 2 minutes, spend 10 minutes trying to find the equivalent keystrokes or location of functions of things that used to be automatic for me, add it to my keybindings or template / screenset to-do list. I'm working my way through the Groove 3 and Craig Anderton videos and hoping for the best. One of the things I did (and apparently others have as well) was to use many of my previous keybindings (imported them). Some of the new keybindings in X1 made more sense and ARE more logical, so I kept those and just reverted bindings to ones that made more sense from my 8.5x setup. This may help ease the transition/learning curve into X1 for you. Initially I, like many others who had invested YEARS into becoming super proficient in Sonar, was disturbed by this drastic change. I still think there could have been better ways to manage the releases and help long time customers through the transition, but that's water under the bridge now. Now that I can actually USE X1(E) on a daily/regular basis, I do like a lot of the changes. I also very much dislike a lot of the design and changes as well. Some things just seem so poorly thought out or rushed out. BUT - as a musical tool, it still does a good job and I try to simply ignore (or just not let bother me) some of the things I wish Cw had done differently. Overall it still is a good host and we are seeing the effort to improve upon it by CW. And with solid competition out there from the other host vendors (Ableton, Presonus, etc), CW has got to keep up. So we all benefit in that regard. Anyway - I am going to be at my DAW shortly and I want to recheck the drag/drop thing myself. while I doubt I would be dragging in a project into another project often, it still would be good to know if it works or not ;)
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chaunceyc
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Re:Browser - dragging projects into a project
2011/10/18 13:43:53
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Thanks, Billy I thought the import project might be useful as I create new screenset-enabled templates and projects and want to bring in some instrumentation and settings from older projects. I hear you on the mixed bag - I too love and hate X1's design UI/UX changes in almost equal amounts. I've gone back and forth on the keybindings import. Everywhere you diverge from the pack (the standardized keybindings), you have to make a mental note as to which ones are customized and which ones are "rogue" and it adds a layer of complexity to troubleshooting and when comparing your actions to others (such as the training videos) - they use a shortcut you may no longer have, or that does something different than yours. Having a utility that prints out all of your customized keybindings and highlighted any removed standardized standard ones would be most helpful. Knowing all of this ahead of time as I try to relearn has me somewhat paralyzed in the decisions - I can make it easier now, but find myself increasingly isolated in years to come as the standard keybindings evolve and grow and I'm off in my non-standardized world. I could import, but many of my go-to's weren't even keybindings, just standard Windows alt-top menu functions that got axed when they got relocated into the dozens of sub-window tabs' dropdowns ( thus disappearing from normal keyboard access), leaving me to find and assign brand new keybindings to dozens of functions that were simply built-in before.
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Re:Browser - dragging projects into a project
2011/10/18 15:05:14
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There are definitely areas in X1 that I personally think weren't thought out fully - and therefor ended up compromises or simply rushed out choices. It's almost as if Cake were looking at X1 as a way to just start over with some things (for better or worse) but didn't have enough time and resources to do it really right. But, as I say - that's water under the bridge. Every host I use has it's own quirks, good points, bad points. It always boils down to what we can tolerate and work with. But most musicians have an incredible ability to use higher level thinking and adapt real well to complex things, generally. I think part of being able to adapt is to try not to fight it too much. I just started another thread about the lack of a status indicator (and therefor a way) to show and manage the solo and mute status on a bus if the bus pane is not visible. This has GOT to be a glaring omission. It would be hard for me to believe it was an intentional design choice. BUT - I'm not going to throw the program out because of that. Yes - it can and does cause workflow problems (not being able to see/know what is or isn't solo'd or muted on a bus!), but I'll put in a bug report (I consider this a bug) and hope for a resolution sometime within this century LOL. But my overall point is - adapt we can, and will, and basically must ;) After all, we'll have to be ready for "DAW 3.0" someday, right?
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chaunceyc
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Re:Browser - dragging projects into a project
2011/10/18 15:54:49
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Excellent points. The time to fight these battles is in the early stages, before everyone works out equally awkward workarounds to overcome new design flaws and they become a new standard operating procedure. (QWERTY anyone?). Otherwise you get "Everyone in my family has always lifted their leg really high when coming in the back door since I was kid" even though the broken threshold was repaired 20 years ago. Why don't you just leave Bus view maximized in all of your screensets all the time so you can see the status of your bus mutes /solos? And I will make my track header view an extra 4" wide just so I can see the archive status of my tracks. I'm a big fan of getting the efficiency gains from the get-go by learning the best way to do a task and internalize it. X1 has frankly scared me about embracing standards, since they can be yanked away en masse.
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