57Gregy
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/01/29 00:31:29
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Norrie
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/01/29 09:11:44
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4tlomusic Just thought I'd let you know: SamAshMusic agree to order the Cakewalk UA-25EX for me and even price-matched the best price I could find online! I'm waiting for it to arrive - should be here in the next couple of weeks! Nice one! congrats! let us know how you get on :) Norrie
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4tlomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/07 21:39:18
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On to plan B: so, it appears that the UA-25EX has been discontinued (I discovered after waiting for it to arrive at SamAsh for two weeks) and can't be ordered anywhere. So, I thought I'd look at the Saffire 6 USB interface that we discussed above, but discovered that because my keyboard is USB-out only (MIDI lite?) there is no cable that goes from a USB-MIDI-out from my keyboard into the interface as there are only cables that convert from MIDI to USB, but not USB to MIDI (and apparently wouldn't have worked with the Cakewalk interface either). So, the guys at SamAsh said my MIDI-latency problem is likely due to a combination of my laptop and my keyboard (grrrr) - I'm at a complete loss. They couldn't understand why I was having latency problems with MIDI as this is usually an audio problem which is what made them think it was my keyboard, but also could be partly due to my laptop too. Any suggestions? (should I just quit banging my head against a wall now before I do any permanent damage?)
I am using: Yamaha CP-50 stage piano, Novation Impulse49 MIDI controller, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface, MXL V63M Mic, SONAR X1 Studio, and unfortunately am using an HP Laptop with the following specs: Intel processor - T2060 @ 1.60 GHz, 1.50 GB RAM, and 32-bit operating system.
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Beagle
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/07 22:48:28
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no. don't listen to sam ash sales drones. they obviously are idiots. you don't need a USB to MIDI cable. you just plug the keyboard up directly from it to the computer usb port and not use the MIDI ports on the saffire. that will NOT cause extra latency. the latency is due to the soundcard and its drivers NOT the MIDI cable or the keyboard itself. changing out the keyboard or the MIDI cable will NOT decrease your latency. any twenty something at sam ash who tells you that doesn't have a clue about what causes latency. DON'T listen to the sales drones. if just plug the yamaha up to the computer USB directly. trust me - I have the EXACT same keyboard you do and I KNOW what I'm talking about and I'm not even getting paid for my advice! after you get the saffire, don't worry about using the MIDI ports on it at all. you don't need them with the yamaha using the USB port directly. after you get the saffire installed, go into MC and change the driver mode to ASIO (OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVER MODE = ASIO, click APPLY) then you should have decent latency at the normal settings. if it's still high, let us know and we'll work on it. but don't listen to the sales drones. listen to Beagle. I KNOW. They're idiots.
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Beagle
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/07 22:50:55
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I will say that YES, your laptop CPU speed and RAM are LOW. BUT changing them out will NOT decrease your latency as much as changing your soundcard. DO NOT change your keyboard based on sam ash sales people. change out the soundcard first, then if we still have latency problems because of stuttering then you might have to get a better laptop, but the soundcard and its drivers will have MUCH more affect on your latency than just an upgraded computer alone.
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4tlomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 00:21:20
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I apologize for being such a novice - it's pretty easy to confuse me I guess. I did explain to them that I was using it as an external soundcard but I guess I got confused about the set up and they couldn't figure out how the audio interface could serve as an external soundcard - they just kept saying that there was no way to run my keyboard through the interface into my computer. I'll pick the Saffire up in the next day or so (and I guess I'll need a MIDI-to-USB cable to connect the interface and the computer because I looked in the box and there wasn't a cable included) and once I get a chance to try it out, I'll be back with questions/updates. Thanks for your patience...
I am using: Yamaha CP-50 stage piano, Novation Impulse49 MIDI controller, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface, MXL V63M Mic, SONAR X1 Studio, and unfortunately am using an HP Laptop with the following specs: Intel processor - T2060 @ 1.60 GHz, 1.50 GB RAM, and 32-bit operating system.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 07:38:19
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Saffire is a good choice. Yep, you'll need a cable. The SAffire should have a midi input on the back..... and if the keyboard also has a midi out (5 pin) then you need the midi to midi cable. I suppose your keyboard could have a USB out for midi.... in that case....I'm thinking you would need a normal usb cable to plug the keyboard directly into the computer. The audio and midi will still render through the Saffire.
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Beagle
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 09:16:30
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4tlomusic I apologize for being such a novice - it's pretty easy to confuse me I guess. I did explain to them that I was using it as an external soundcard but I guess I got confused about the set up and they couldn't figure out how the audio interface could serve as an external soundcard - they just kept saying that there was no way to run my keyboard through the interface into my computer. I'll pick the Saffire up in the next day or so (and I guess I'll need a MIDI-to-USB cable to connect the interface and the computer because I looked in the box and there wasn't a cable included) and once I get a chance to try it out, I'll be back with questions/updates. Thanks for your patience... no apology necessary - it's not your fault. it's the sales people at sam ashe. if they can't figure out what an external soundcard is for a laptop then they have no business giving advice on how to resolve latency. But again - you do NOT need a MIDI to USB cable! you DO NOT NEED A MIDI CABLE AT ALL. the yamaha psr-295 does not have a 5 pin MIDI port. it uses USB ONLY. you will NOT connect the yamaha directly to the saffire and it's NOT NECESSARY. Connect the yamaha with a regular USB cable DIRECTLY TO THE COMPUTER. buying a MIDI cable of any kind for the yamaha psr-295 will be a WASTE OF MONEY because it's not going to work! you only need a regular USB cable (or the USB cable that came with the yamaha psr-295 is even better because it has a filter on it, but even that isn't necessary). and doing that will not affect the latency at all! the latency has nothing to do with whether you connect the keyboard up to the soundcard directly or not! Herb (guitarhacker), his keyboard is USB ONLY, no 5pin MIDI ports are on it. he only needs a USB cable.
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4tlomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 09:40:35
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Ok - so my only question is this: what cable do I need to connect the Saffire to my laptop (there is no cable that comes with it - just the interface itself with the software/drivers). I understand that I can just plug my keyboard directly into the laptop via the USB cable.
I am using: Yamaha CP-50 stage piano, Novation Impulse49 MIDI controller, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface, MXL V63M Mic, SONAR X1 Studio, and unfortunately am using an HP Laptop with the following specs: Intel processor - T2060 @ 1.60 GHz, 1.50 GB RAM, and 32-bit operating system.
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Beagle
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 09:55:45
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just a standard USB cable. same as the keyboard.
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Beagle
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 09:57:17
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BTW - I just realized that my post might look like I'm yelling and maybe that's why you apologized, I am not yelling at you at all. I am just lazy and didn't feel like using the bold or italics to emphasize stuff. sorry!
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57Gregy
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 10:53:10
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Well, the Sam Ash folks were right on one point; there's no way to connect your USB keyboard to the Saffire. But you don't need to, as Beagle wrote. Later, when you've got the money, you can get another keyboard with MIDI ports, or a MIDI drum machine or sound module to connect to the Saffire's MIDI ports. Until then, ignore them.
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57Gregy
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 11:28:07
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By the way, is this the USB Saffire or the FireWire Saffire? I think you wrote that your laptop has a FireWire port, but how many USB ports does it have? If it's FireWire, you need a FireWire cable.
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Beagle
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 12:02:49
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So, I thought I'd look at the Saffire 6 USB interface that we discussed above, he's talking about the USB one (from post #33) I agree that they were right that he can't plug the keyboard into the saffire, but what they didn't tell him (whether they understood it or not) is that he didn't need to.
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4tlomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 21:16:33
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I am using: Yamaha CP-50 stage piano, Novation Impulse49 MIDI controller, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface, MXL V63M Mic, SONAR X1 Studio, and unfortunately am using an HP Laptop with the following specs: Intel processor - T2060 @ 1.60 GHz, 1.50 GB RAM, and 32-bit operating system.
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4tlomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 21:30:23
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Ok - bought Saffire, installed driver, went to MC5 and changed the driver mode to ASIO (OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVER MODE = ASIO, click APPLY). Now, when I try to record, I get the following error message: "Unable to open audio playback device. Device may not support the current project's audio format or may be in use." What now?
I am using: Yamaha CP-50 stage piano, Novation Impulse49 MIDI controller, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface, MXL V63M Mic, SONAR X1 Studio, and unfortunately am using an HP Laptop with the following specs: Intel processor - T2060 @ 1.60 GHz, 1.50 GB RAM, and 32-bit operating system.
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Robomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 21:59:54
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Go to options / Audio, and set the record and playback timers as Saffire ASIO
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4tlomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 22:09:06
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Actually, are there some good threads already out there that I can explore that go over hardware configuration and set-up for use with MC5? Don't really know what I'm doing, but I played around and already can see that this fixes the latency problem as somehow I stumbled through a 3-track experiment and it all synced up perfectly! (now I just have to practice)
I am using: Yamaha CP-50 stage piano, Novation Impulse49 MIDI controller, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface, MXL V63M Mic, SONAR X1 Studio, and unfortunately am using an HP Laptop with the following specs: Intel processor - T2060 @ 1.60 GHz, 1.50 GB RAM, and 32-bit operating system.
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 22:17:14
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Awesome! Don't worry about the Beagle, just scratch his ears and he will calm down! Oh if he rolls over don't rub the belly he piddles!
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4tlomusic
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/08 22:27:14
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Thanks everyone - especially Beagle for helping me figure this stuff out. Wasn't sure at first about spending $200 on the advice of an online pooch, but it would seem that all the advice I got here was WAY better than what I got at SamAsh! Now that I can actually make some progress with MC5, I'll be back with more questions etc soon!
I am using: Yamaha CP-50 stage piano, Novation Impulse49 MIDI controller, Focusrite Saffire 6 USB interface, MXL V63M Mic, SONAR X1 Studio, and unfortunately am using an HP Laptop with the following specs: Intel processor - T2060 @ 1.60 GHz, 1.50 GB RAM, and 32-bit operating system.
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Beagle
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/09 07:10:52
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good deal! glad you got it working! rob. got to the corner.
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
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Re:Building a poor-man's computer for MC5/SONAR
2011/02/09 13:07:03
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