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Bundle Items you never use

Loosely related to this thread what VST and VSTi did you get as part of a bundle and never use?
 
Battery 4 - This came with Komplete but I have not found a use for it. It seems to be very good at EDM type of sounds but the type of sounds I am after seem to be done much better elsewhere.
 
Spark - from the Arturia V collection. Again decent sounds for the EDM brigade, in fact to my ear some of the best electronic drum sounds around, and maybe even some I could use for other styles but it all seems to be tied into its drum machine interface. I was glad to get a computer based program with a PRV and get away from the horrible limitations of drum machine programing.
 
Addictive Drums - From X3, tried it but just did not warm to the sound, I can't ever see using it in place of Superior or BFD3.
 
Overloud THD2 - From X3, I think its the interface that puts me off, I should persevere with it but I usually just call up Amplitube.
 
Session Drummer - From X3, to be fair I have used this once when I wanted some electronic drum sounds, but I have better else where.
 
 
 

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 08:41:38 (permalink)
    I'm looking forward to buying the Melda Mastering bundle some day.
     
    There are 3 items in it that I think I'll use occasionally, or more specifically that I'd like to have some experience learning how to use in case I occasionally find something to use them on.
     
    I keep looking at the rest of the stuff and thinking I'll never use it and that I don't even want the clutter in my Plug In list, but the math makes it seem like they are just free tag alongs if you know you want to use the 3 items that I have my eye on.


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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 10:36:14 (permalink)
    @mccue,
     
    Wish I would have went the Bundle deal on the Melda stuff. Would have saved money and time. I would only have one DL and install every time they release an update and they seem to do that frequently. (which is cool)

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 11:24:14 (permalink)
    That seems like a real good point. Thanks for explaining how the bundle can be beneficial in this way.


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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 12:27:59 (permalink)
    If I am not mistaken, if you buy some Melda plugs that are part of a bundle, and you later want to get the bundle that has the plugs you already own, Melda will discount the bundle for what you already own. But you have to contact them about it.

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 12:37:06 (permalink)
    Back to OP:

    Addictive Drums for me. I wasn't happy about their DRM protection. And installed it I my everyday PC, changed MB, proc, and added several HD and an SSD, now I can't authorize it on that PC anymore. I didn't realize I had to de-authorize this when i upgraded everything. Reading some of their forum posts I got the idea I am SOL.

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 13:40:52 (permalink)
    Wow, this was tough for me.   So far, the only one I've come up with is AAS Strum included with X3 - I just never "got" that plugin.   Otherwise, I'm pretty sure everything else bundled with X3 (and X2 and X1...) as well as Komplete 9 has seen use at some point, some more than others of course.
     

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 14:26:42 (permalink)
    I forgot about "Strum"

    Another one I don't use.

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 14:32:05 (permalink)
    Every time i attempt to get a usable sound from strum, i end up motivated to practice guitar
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 14:56:15 (permalink)
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    Loosely related to this thread what VST and VSTi did you get as part of a bundle and never use?
     
    Battery 4 - This came with Komplete but I have not found a use for it. It seems to be very good at EDM type of sounds but the type of sounds I am after seem to be done much better elsewhere.
     
    Spark - from the Arturia V collection. Again decent sounds for the EDM brigade, in fact to my ear some of the best electronic drum sounds around, and maybe even some I could use for other styles but it all seems to be tied into its drum machine interface. I was glad to get a computer based program with a PRV and get away from the horrible limitations of drum machine programing.
     
    Addictive Drums - From X3, tried it but just did not warm to the sound, I can't ever see using it in place of Superior or BFD3.
     
    Overloud THD2 - From X3, I think its the interface that puts me off, I should persevere with it but I usually just call up Amplitube.
     
    Session Drummer - From X3, to be fair I have used this once when I wanted some electronic drum sounds, but I have better else where.
     
     
     


    I have never been able to get past TH2's interface either. Sounds great but just never touch it.   Not fan of the spark drum machine aspect either, but i mostly use it as a sound module and program sounds in PRV, step sequencer or just trigger via  drum pads.
     
    I rarely use SD3 since I got Geist, but every now and then when i simply need and a simple multi-out 808 kit it works.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 15:44:14 (permalink)
    I have Melda mastering bundle and like it. I have lots of things I only use rarely, but nothing I don't want.

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 17:12:03 (permalink)
    TH2 is the Ducks nuts, it's awesome. I have Th2 Full, S-Gear, Revalver 3, 3dot5, 4, all Studio Devil, GTR, Guitar Rig 3, 5, Amplitube (all modules/Packs, bar half a dozen stomps), and I would rate them
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    S-Gear (Great Sound and feel, just needs the Bell's and whistles of TH2)
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    and a BIG gap to
    Amplitube
    Guitar Rig
     
    Addictive Drums 1/2, I got the full versions, and a heap off AD Packs, but I decided not to buy anymore, BFD (any version) just blows it out of the water. I tried to like it and use it, but always end up replacing it with BFD. I will use it for the the Reel Machines AD Pack for electronic type music, which is not really my thing, but I sometimes dabble there, but I just don't like the sound of AD, maybe because it's processed, but then I recently got the Oblivion expansion for BFD which is Processed and it is just AWESOME, maybe AD is over processed or just badly processed I don't know, but to me it's just not in the same league as BFD
     
    I am thankful to Sonar/Cakewalk through it's bundled stuff for introducing me to things like TH2, Melodyne, Dimension Pro, Rapture, Z3TA 2 (last 3 Cake products I know), All of which I purchased Full versions of because I just loved them to bits, but apart from the Pro Channel stuff, which I brought all the Cake modules, I don't really use any other bundled stuff.
     
     
     
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/03 23:55:49 (permalink)
    Komplete - Battery and Massive I may have used once or twice.  The Solid Mix series I haven't touched.  I don't care much for the MM bass either.
     
    Nomad Factory Blue Tubes - I haven't used the eq's yet.  Tried the reverb and thought it sounded horribly metallic.  Otherwise I like their stuff.
     
    AAS Modeling Collection - Most of these will see use except the strum acoustic/electric.
     
    SONAR - I haven't used the transient shaper yet, nor the LP effects, but I might. I think most of the P5 effects don't compare with similar included effects.  TH2 I gave up on both out of hatred for the interface and frustration that it might sound really good one time and awful the next.
     
     
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/05 12:34:52 (permalink)
    Whatever I don't use just means I have not had a use for it (yet!).
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/06 03:46:10 (permalink)
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/08 22:40:02 (permalink)
    This would be a longer thread if it were about Komplete.
     
    Kinda odd for many years I blew off what was in the Kontakt factory library and watching the Kontakt series on MacProVideo there's actually a lot of nice sounds once you start investigating.
     
    I was surprised NI made a Battery 4.  Usually any drum library is made for Kontakt.  If you get tired of the numerous drum romplers this would be the app.  A few years ago I wanted to create my own Death Metal drum kit and I found sites were drummers sample their kits that you could download.
     
    Sometime I don't use stuff in a DAW because I don't know it's there.
     
     
     
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/08 23:09:43 (permalink)
    I find it funny when folk say .. I don't make EDM or Prog Rock etc  etc.. but you can find a use for many things either rather obviously or subtly to beef out a sounds (e.g. put a thuddy 808 bd under a drum kick drum and eq accordingly) .. even prog rock type organs were used in recent d&b tunes.
     
    I mainly like more bought komplete for kontakt over the years.. BUT am from a sampler background (akai 950 etc).. so don't just stick with the default libs. yep it comes with a load of sounds.. but they are the sounds everyone else has access to also.. so if you are making something , to a point they are good..
     
    things like massive were / are really love/hate with people now due to the popularity and it being used so much.
     
    try to find use for something you wouldn't normally use, or use it in an odd way.. is what I guess I'm saying.. as some of the best sounding records have been made that way with things that were accidents at the production stage. I guess the most obvious ones for me were guitar fx pedals.. not being used with guitars as input :)
     
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/23 22:49:49 (permalink)
    Yeah, I don't like TH2's UI either.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/24 00:10:29 (permalink)
    Put me down for Battery and Strum.

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/24 17:37:33 (permalink)
    There's a particular bundled item that I'm making a point of not using - Addictive Drums. It took a ridiculous amount of time to install and required an online connection the whole time. I have more than one computer running Sonar and I didn't bother installing it on the others.

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/24 21:00:55 (permalink)
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    There's a particular bundled item that I'm making a point of not using - Addictive Drums. It took a ridiculous amount of time to install and required an online connection the whole time. I have more than one computer running Sonar and I didn't bother installing it on the others.




     Odd thing about XLN is if you have more than two machines and want another license you will need a seperate email account.  I emailed them about that and they never heard of such a situation. I have four machines registered under one account just about everywhere.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 11:13:56 (permalink)
    Fwiw komplete ultimate 10 with komplete kontrol lets you get easy access to all sounds plugins with a few keyboard pushes . Been finding gems like never before..

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 11:42:11 (permalink)
    Dimension Pro and Rapture
    They are old, outdated and sound like crap compared to what other companies have out, imo.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 14:28:14 (permalink)
    TerraSin
    Dimension Pro and Rapture
    They are old, outdated and sound like crap compared to what other companies have out, imo.


    I'm curious how a synth sounds outdated? I can see some of the preset patches on a synth sounding dated, but the synth itself is going to sound like whatever the person programming it dictates. I was not so much questioning your opinion so much as hoping for elaboration to help understand. My synth programming skills are minimal, but if i take Rapture and make common synth sounds in use by modern producers (a simple 808 style kick for instance) it sounds pretty much like any other synth.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 15:49:56 (permalink)
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    Dimension Pro and Rapture
    They are old, outdated and sound like crap compared to what other companies have out, imo.

    I'm curious how a synth sounds outdated? I can see some of the preset patches on a synth sounding dated, but the synth itself is going to sound like whatever the person programming it dictates. I was not so much questioning your opinion so much as hoping for elaboration to help understand. My synth programming skills are minimal, but if i take Rapture and make common synth sounds in use by modern producers (a simple 808 style kick for instance) it sounds pretty much like any other synth.

     
    I'm curious too. I like these softsynths because they are excellent for blending different sounds together and the multisamples are in a non-proprietry format, making it easy to add your own. What's so bad about about them?

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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 16:20:32 (permalink)
    Disclaimer: Let me start by saying that I'm certainly not a synth god. I love sound design as much as the next person but more often than not I buy preset packs from others because I don't have the time to sit around doing something that I know others could do better than I could anyway.
     
    What it boils down to is how the program can modify the waves it's using, the effects it has built in, matrix controls, LFOs, modulation, etc. and how the program itself works with the data it is told. For instance, in audio you can have two compressors that have the exact same variables on what it will do to the sound it's given. You can set these exactly the same in each and end up with completely different sounding results because of the way it emulates that sound in each. The same can be said for synthesizers.
     
    Rapture could be good but it needs updated. I don't think there's been any updates on it in like 6 years. Someone might correct me on that one but I believe it's been that long if not longer. It also needs a massive interface update and those are things I'm not sure Cake wants to spend the time on now that Zeta+ 2 exists which in itself isn't a bad synth at all, but I find myself using it less and less for things like Serum.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 17:55:18 (permalink)
    It sounds like your dislike is based more on available presets and workflow than the core sound abilities. I think that is a valid concern because the vast majority of artists i know pretty much use presets with the occassional modest tweak.  This is not a new thing. The "hoover" was the name of a preset that was used so much in dance music that many forgot it was originally a roland preset. In modern pop, the same Nexus, Massive, Sylenth and Sytrus presets  are eaily identified within a couple notes. With that said, it's not Raptures sounds that are dated ( i doubt any waveform will ever be dated) , but the presets. Even if waves could become dated, one could add their own waveforms.  A Rapture 2 would be a good idea if only to update interface and provide presets that resonate more with todays pop scene. The hardcore programmers are going to roll their own anyway.
     
    I think Rapture missed the boat by not keeping up with music trends. Even as it is, it is far more powerful than most realize.  Every now and then I use it for drum or bass reinforcement  and get askd in the studio how did I get that thump. When i point to Rapture they go through presets and the impressed feeling they had dwindles rapidly. Sad.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 18:16:15 (permalink)
    Most of the presets I use I've bought from third parties. The presets that come with any synth (exclusing Omnisphere) have been unusable. The thing is, when I do delve into sound design, I can generally make something good sounding that I end up really liking but I have a perfectionist personality and it can sometimes take me weeks to get a single sound simply because I keep tweaking it. It's not logical for me to work on most of my own because of this. Plus, when you have a pro sound designer like John Lehmkuhl (PluginGuru.com) making things similar to what I'm looking for who can also add a lot of modulation you would have never thought of, it just makes more sense to me.
     
    The waveforms don't change, what is being used to change them can have a very different effect on them though. For example, Serum has the ability to add your own waveforms. What is done to those waveforms via oscillators, LFOs, and effects are what make the VST shine so much. It's being able to modify waveforms into something new.
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 18:20:19 (permalink)
    Waveforms can be added to Rapture. In fact, unlike most synths that can add sincle cycle waveforms, Rapture can also add long wave files. I have barely touched the surface with this but it has pretty amazing potential.  
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    Re: Bundle Items you never use 2015/01/25 22:59:36 (permalink)
    I don't use Dimension Pro a lot these days most of that sort of work falls to Kontakt, but its still a decent source of sampled instruments and sometimes it has what I am looking for.
     
    Rapture is another I only use occasionally, I tend to go for classic analogue emulations like MiniMonsta, XILS4 and the Arturia V collection, but I is a pretty decent synth and the Clive Anderton expansions are great.
     
    When I want more modern sounds I like Z3ta 2. Most of the presets do not appeal to me at all but once I got my head around programing it from scratch it became much more useful to me.

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