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2014/07/11 18:30:08 (permalink)

Burning long lengths of silence to CD....SOLVED

Just a shot in the dark here.  My wife, The Bear, just got back from some crystal gazing, mantra intoning, yert dwelling week of "meditation" in the Rockies.  Now, she's asked me to make two CDs (a short set and a long set) that is basically long intervals of silence punctuated by either temple bell, gong or rainstick.  Which I did.  Since damn X3 wont let you copy empty measures I had to actually use an audio track to record some silence and then copy paste that to the appropriate lengths and then insert my "noises" at the appropriate times.  No probs.
 
Only no matter what burner I use or how I divide it up...it won't burn properly.  The rendered wave files play fine in windows media player and on any other device.  But every CD I've tried to burn is just distorted noise.  Any suggestions.  I'm not used to recording "nothing".  I figure it has everything to do with the silent gaps. 
 
 
go to last post for answer:-)
 
 
 
post edited by yorolpal - 2014/07/14 14:10:40

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/11 19:07:18 (permalink)
Simple answer... Don't make it silent.

Either go for something audible but very quiet, like wind in trees or a gently flowing stream with the occasional bird song in the distance..
Or something sub-audible, like a 10Hz sine wave that will at least give the CD burner something to write other than a string of zeroes....

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/11 20:04:19 (permalink)
 
Just an idea 'Ol Pal...
 
In your CD burning software, add each sound as a separate track.
 
In the burning options window, see if you can prescribe the length of the 'Pause' between tracks.
 
I usually use Nero to create my CDs, and it gives you the option to select the pause length individually after each track, or to speed the process up, you can select multiple tracks and apply the same pause to all of them.
 
For example, here I've selected nine tracks and set the pause value at 300 seconds:
 

 
 

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/11 20:15:09 (permalink)
This is why silence is golden.  It's not as easy to create as it appears! 
 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/11 20:43:34 (permalink)
Some say all I should record is silence.
 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/11 21:43:54 (permalink)
What a PITA. Ill try your welcome suggestions. Thank you all. She actually paid a tidy sum to stay in 40 degree high mountain temps and clean outhouses, maintain silence for most of four days and sleep in a yert. And now I have to make silence and gongs and rain sticks. Why can't Pork Barbecue be part of this equation??

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/11 22:00:28 (permalink)
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Why can't Pork Barbecue be part of this equation??



That's part of post-production I believe... 

 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/11 22:28:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2014/07/11 22:31:49
yorolpal
What a PITA. Ill try your welcome suggestions. Thank you all. She actually paid a tidy sum to stay in 40 degree high mountain temps and clean outhouses, maintain silence for most of four days and sleep in a yert. And now I have to make silence and gongs and rain sticks. Why can't Pork Barbecue be part of this equation??




Simple answer... Don't make it silent.

Either go for something audible but very quiet, like wind in trees or a gently flowing stream with the occasional bird song in the distance..
Or something sub-audible, like a 10Hz sine wave that will at least give the CD burner something to write other than a string of zeroes....

 
Or something like very quiet subliminal whispering:
 
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Buy some pork, barbecue pork for yorolpal
Buy some pork, barbecue pork for yorolpal
Buy some pork, barbecue pork for yorolpal...

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 01:45:44 (permalink)
Why am I salivating all of a sudden??

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 08:36:06 (permalink)
put an audio track in it for the proper length.... then simply use an envelope to pull the volume all the way down.....
 
 
waaa laaa.. recordable silence.  Add rain sticks and gongs as needed.

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 11:11:05 (permalink)
 
I've solved it for you 'Ol Pal
 
Just copy the soundtrack to this...
 

 
 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 11:49:05 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Hmmmm ... maybe it is time to go back and use the plain old Teac's!
 
If a DAW is interfering with "silence" or anything, then it is BAD CODE and STUPID! No wonder no one can do the 3AM at the Okefanokee Swamp anymore ... gotta have that screwed up stick counting on the floor yet again.
 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 11:55:57 (permalink)
Won't Sony cd architect do it? I'm ild school though I don't even know if that's still around, but if you have silent wav files it should let you drag them in and name them, set track numbers etc.
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 13:30:36 (permalink)
Nope Architect needs red book pq codes which apparently won't let you write that length of silence. The odd thing is that the wave files will play just fine.

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 14:18:42 (permalink)
Burn it to a DVD and use that for the meditation. I prefer to meditate over a martini.

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 14:32:15 (permalink)
Yup...that's my next try. Plus both the Bear and I prefer "martini meditation" too:-)

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 14:44:35 (permalink)
I totally don't understand. Can't you just add a marker at the start, a marker at the end, a track with your samples. ctrl+a to select all, click the ruler between the markers, bounce to tracks and export to 16 bit 44.1?
 
Then you have a plenty long track of silence except for some odd sounds.

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 15:27:53 (permalink)
Does your CD player have a "normalize" function? Some players are designed to avoid sudden changes in volume, and an attempt to normalize a lot of zero bits might create noise. Some players that have this capability have it as an option you can turn off. Have you tried saving your silence as part of an MP3 and playing it from an MP3 player?
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 16:29:29 (permalink)
Again...I have exported the files from X3 as wav files to my desktop. They play in Windows media player just fine. I even put them on a flash drive and played them on other computers in the studio. No probs.

They just won't burn to a CD properly using any of my available software burners. THOSE files are just digital hash. It is in the burning process that something's going awry. I can see several ways to skin this particular cat and I will try several of them. It's just a problem that's never really cropped up before.

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 19:12:07 (permalink)
Who knew that NOT making music could be so hard??? 

 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 20:24:17 (permalink)
 
John T would know how to do this.
 
After all, he knows feckin' everything.
 
If you lot hadn't pissed him off so many times in the past he'd be down here now sorting out all your problems, cracking a few jokes and having a right good slapstick laugh-a-minute high old time of it.
 
Shame on you all.
 
It's like karma chameleon deja vu all over again.
 
I wonder if he's the real Mr 'T'?
 
Then we'd all be foooooooooools.
 
 
 
 
 
As to the conundrum at hand, my method will definitely work because you are actually writing the length of the inter-track pauses into the architecture of the disc.
 
So, "Helpful Best Answer" etc thangs fer Straummy all round I think.
 
Or send money.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 20:25:56 (permalink)
 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 20:29:59 (permalink)
Try SONAR's Burn Audio CD option.
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 20:30:42 (permalink)
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As to the conundrum at hand, my method will definitely work because you are actually writing the length of the inter-track pauses into the architecture of the disc.
 

 
 You have absolutely no feckin' idea what any of that means, do you fatboy?

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 20:31:56 (permalink)
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As to the conundrum at hand, my method will definitely work because you are actually writing the length of the inter-track pauses into the architecture of the disc.
 

 
 You have absolutely no feckin' idea what any of that means, do you fatboy?




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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 21:33:41 (permalink)
Then please move your clothes to the lower peg...unless you have a permission slip...in which case put your clothes in your gym bag and put the "available" hang tag on the lower peg. Then wait for an older boy or proctor to drop by your cubicle and give you a Dutch rubby bubby.

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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/12 22:52:17 (permalink)
I think I prefer long silence... 
 


 
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/13 05:20:15 (permalink)
My DAW is elsewhere, but I just tried doing what you describe using Audacity timed recording with no input to make a 35 minute clip, imported a cowbell wave file and cut and pasted at 10 minutes and 34 minutes into the silent clip. Then exported to a wave file, dragged the wave into the burn list pane of windows media player 12 and burned as an audio CD from WMP. The resulting audio plays as expected with silence until the cowbell is reached on a boom box and a DVD player. I am at a loss as to why you are getting noise on your CD.
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Re: Burning long lengths of silence to CD.... 2014/07/13 08:27:56 (permalink)
I use media monkey to make CDs and when I accidentally have a bounce muted and export it, I get a full track of silence on the CD.
 
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