hatflyer
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Bus = More Dropouts?
i changed the output from my midi tracks to a bus then the bus to the sound card instead of to the sound card directly. but now, when i export the audio, i'm finding drop outs. does going to the bus make dropouts more likely? i need to lower the volume of the entire project and i think outputting to a bus is the way to do that? also, does bouncing a track before exporting the audio reduce the quality? if not, i could bounce some tracks to reduce the load of exporting?
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daveny5
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/25 17:29:08
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Computer specs, soundcard????
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hatflyer
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/25 17:36:39
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sigmatel audio card, dual core intel 2.4GHz, 4GB ram i wasn't getting dropouts when i did not go thru a bus
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/25 21:32:47
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sigmatel soundcard = onboard soundcard = crappy drivers and hardware (it's just a chip on the motherboard).
my BEST suggestion is to get a better soundcard. I have good recommendations on my website.
if you can't do that right now, then download and install ASIO4ALL (google it) and then change your dirver mode to ASIO. if you're using SHS7 then go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and change the driver mode to ASIO and click APPLY.
if you're using a version of SHS prior to 7 then go to the ADVANCED tab first, then click OK after changing it.
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hatflyer
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/25 21:35:23
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what is the best way to control overall project volume? is it by sending all track output to a bus? i wasn't having drop out until i tried that.
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/25 21:44:05
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absolutely. you should never send tracks or buses directly to the soundcard - only the master bus should go to the soundcard and all tracks and buses should go to the master bus.
if you send tracks or buses directly to the soundcard (except the master) then you will be "summing" at the soundcard instead of inside SHS. if you sum at the soundcard you can't tell if you are going over 0dB. you should never go over 0dB or you will have "digital distortion." that's bad.
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hatflyer
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/25 21:51:05
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i have used just 1 bus, "bus 1." is that the "master bus"?
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 00:11:38
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You can name the buses anything you want. I might have 1 bus I name Guitars and send all my guitar tracks through that. Another I call Drums, or Vocals, whatever, and send the tracks through those buses. Then you name 1 bus 'Master' and send all the other buses (and any tracks that aren't routed to buses) to the Master. The Master then goes to the audio interface or sound card.
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 01:57:49
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I think the default template of SHS7 uses "BUS 1" as the master.
but as greg says it really doesn't matter what it's called. you can call it "FRED" if you want. as long as it's the only bus that goes to the soundcard and everything else is routed to it, then it IS the master bus!
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 12:17:51
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getting something odd on a project - the output of the track is locked to go to the sound card. i have a bus, but the drop down menu that usually gives a choice between the sound card and a bus does not give the bus as an option. any ideas why?
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 12:21:22
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 12:25:08
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Have you installed the SHS 7 update?
Try inserting another bus; see if the new bus appears in the menu.
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hatflyer
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 13:42:01
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here is a screen shot. the arrow shows where i click for the drop down menu but nothing happens when i click there. 
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hatflyer
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 13:43:27
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forgot to add - in other projects, i can select for a bus output. is there some setting i need to check?
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 13:50:13
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that's a MIDI track. you can't output the MIDI track to a BUS. it has to be output to a SYNTH, either hardware or a softsynth's OUTPUT track.
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 13:56:47
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actually, i think the problem was the audio preview bus menu at the bottom? i think it works if i set it to bus 1.
btw, the midi seems to be sent and played on the bus just fine. those midi track are virtual instruments.
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 17:09:55
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Right, but a straight MIDI track is data that can't be sent to a bus; it has to be sent to a synth first and the synth output to a bus.
So when using the Wave Preview, you can select a bus?
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/26 18:35:04
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i rarely use a midi device, but instead i enter the notes via the piano roll view. each track is an inserted soft synth, and plays to the bus fine (now).
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/27 09:10:01
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it doesn't matter if you use a MIDI input device or not, MIDI tracks are still MIDI tracks regardless of whether they get their input from a keyboard, a drum machine or by you drawing notes in the PRV.
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/27 11:16:22
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then why am i able to output a midi track to a bus?
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/27 11:37:32
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you shouldn't be able to.
you can output an INSTRUMENT track to a bus, but you shouldn't be able to output a MIDI track to a bus.
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Re:Bus = More Dropouts?
2011/04/27 11:59:28
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