TysonC
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Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
Hey, all. Remember how I moved to Phoenix? Well, I had to leave behind my guitar. I'm having a nice amp shipped to me in the next week or two, but I don't think it's worth getting my POS les paul copy shipped down as well (as much fun as I've had with it, it's not a great guitar and I'm wanting something better). I've had my eye on the Ibanez RG350M ever since I saw it in a music shop a few years ago. I love the finish and the way the neck feels, I've just never bothered saving up the money to actually go out and buy one. However, necessity, as well as being the mother of invention, is also the mother of having-to-buy-a-new-guitar-when-you-didn't-take-your-old-one-with-you. Anyways, here's my dilemma: I just read that you can't tune a guitar with floyd rose-style bridge to a low tuning. I want to be able to play death metal when the mood strikes me, and that means I need to get to C standard. Does this mean I should completely rule out the RG350M? I've always wanted a guitar with a locking nut so I could do all that fun whammy stuff, but I don't want to sacrifice tuning versatility. It's a comfortable guitar and playing it in standard is just fine, in fact, that's where I'd have it 90% of the time, I'm just worried about not being able to tune down. Actually, I've heard that it's quite an endeavor to tune a locking-nut guitar at all. Is it really all that bad? On average how long does it take? What do you guys think? Anybody have any words on the RG350M? Anyone have any experience with one? Just in case I have to rule the RG350M out, do you guys have any suggestions for a good hard rock/heavy metal guitar? I'm looking for something with a comfortable, preferably slim, neck with easy upper-fret access and decent electronics. I'm also looking to spend between $200 and $400 (bagging groceries a rich man does not make). Chances are I'll take whatever advice I get from the community here and come back with a list of guitars from the local shops so I can get input on whatever I find. I have absolutely no problem buying secondhand and I believe that a little wear and tear just adds character to a guitar (well, some guitars better than others, but that's another discussion for another time). I digress... What guitar should I blow my next month's pay on? EDIT: I just remembered pitch-shift pedals! That'll get me to C standard! I've been looking around the internet and there seem to be a few good ones out there. It's a few extra bucks, but it'll let me have my floyd rose cake and eat it too. Can anyone attest to the sound quality of pitch-shift pedals? How about the latency?
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 12:29:09
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You'll get the usual "just play a lot of them and buy the one that suits you" advice. But the best guitars I own and the best deals I've made have come from bidding on ebay. I've bought a great PRS CE24 and Ibanez JS-100 and JS-1000 for hundreds less than they should have gone for. For instance the JS1000 is a $1700 +/- guitar and I won a bid at $700 for that one in perfect like-new condition. I got 3 of my Marshall amps on there too. You have to factor shipping in but you can get some great deals still.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 13:56:55
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+1 for checking ebay.I bought 2 nice Ibanez RGT42FM's on ebay for what one of them cost new and they were both in like new condition.I'm a big fan of G&L guitars as well as Ibanez.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 15:01:56
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look on sevenstring.org too, they have a big classifieds section. you can tune a floating bridge down as with a fixed bridge, but yeah it takes more setting up. why not get a 7 string - you can pick up RG7321 and 7421 pretty cheap - that way you get downtune and standard tuning in one. if you go 6 string, as well as Ibbys look out for Ltd, Jackson Dinky and Washburn X Series too.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 19:08:30
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Don't discount certain off-brands that kick ass at a much lower price. Yamaha Pacificas are highly underrated. Others to look for include Tokai and Agile. I know friends with all of the above (including one who's a Tokai dealer) that have been extremely happy with their guitars.
It all depends on whether you need to show your friends a "name" or have high quality instrument for low cost.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 20:09:00
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with floyd rose-style bridge to a low tuning. Sounds like you're trying to do the Baritone guitar thing with heavy metal, ---> low tuning. I ran into a brick wall of mis-information on that one. And the available guitars were few. Tuned down to A on a six string. Perfect 5th. They are way out your price range. Shecter has some close ones. Ibanez can make you one. Everything else avsilable is not quite it.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 20:56:46
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Anyways, here's my dilemma: I just read that you can't tune a guitar with floyd rose-style bridge to a low tuning. I want to be able to play death metal when the mood strikes me, and that means I need to get to C standard.
Hi Tyson............................... I have 2 Floyd Rose guitars............... Both will handle Open E/ flat,open D.......... And drop D, D/ flat or C no problem..................That covers 80% of the "Metal" I listen to. That being said.............I'm pretty decent setting up US or Schaller Floyds and a few Kahlers............. If your not real familiar with them...............you may have a few hassles and growing pains for sure............. As far as open C I don't know if they'll handle that.  Your gonna want something more specific to that tuning maybe 27" scale.....string thru.......with EMG's or some active pickups. Actives will tighten up the bottom end on the down tunings and rid you of the mud as well. As far as electric guitars in general....................... I firmly believe that dollar for dollar and under $500.00.........the Korean " PRS SE" guitars are the best made, I know thats not pertinent to the "Metal" scenario I just think PRS really did the SE series right. As for value"Metal" guitars that will handle open "C".................. This may fit your needs................ 27" scale "Agile" LP  http://www.rondomusic.com/al627bkflamewide.html For General Drop tunings and "Metal"..........w/licenced floyd...................25.5" scale "Agile Ghost"  http://www.rondomusic.com/ghostpro625ebcephpblackflame.html Good Luck and have fun shopping 
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 21:03:50
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play them in the store to see what you like.... shop ebay once you know.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 21:05:54
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I have an Ibanez RGR420EX with a Edge III locking trem and used to down tune quite a bit so I simply blocked the trem to prevent pulling up on the trem arm. I can still use the trem but only in a dive bomb action. It solved the difficulty with downtuning a locking trem. You could also look into a tremol-no unit which will do the same thing as blocking it. http://www.tremol-no.com/products.asp While I have since unblocked it as I don't go much lower than occasionally drop d these days, it was an easy solution for me. Swwetwater tech tip on blocking: http://www.sweetwater.com/expert-center/techtips/d--12/12/2005
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TysonC
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 21:43:14
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Oh, yeah. Seven string guitars.
I've tried a few of those and always found the wider neck a little weird in my hand. Then again, maybe that's just an issue of getting used to it.
I'll definitely try out some seven strings when I go out next week.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/13 21:47:24
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If you're looking for a lower tuning and don't like the wider necks of a 7-string (I know I didn't), then check out 6-string baritones. You'll want a longer scale (like the 27" mentioned above). I had a Schecter Scorpion baritone that was really cool - still wish I hadn't sold that one...
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 10:25:54
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TysonC
Oh, yeah. Seven string guitars.
I've tried a few of those and always found the wider neck a little weird in my hand. Then again, maybe that's just an issue of getting used to it.
I'll definitely try out some seven strings when I go out next week.
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You can always listen to Egberto Gismonti on his own built guitars with 8, 10 and more strings! Good old days ... he rarely plays them now!
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 11:12:50
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After my dad bought my first guitar and found out I was going to hang with it
he took me to buy my second...I picked it out. I've picked out every guitar I've
ever played and could care less what anybody has to say. They think ____is a
good one- they can buy and play it.
On the other hand...if they are going to buy me one I hope they listen to my suggestions.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 11:20:30
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build it. play a million guitars, figure out what you like best, and why you like it... and build it. anything else could be a compromise. if you're going to buy off the shelf, figure out how to demo gear in an environment like a guitar center, which is a zoo. pretend monkeys are throwing their poop at you, and you still have to make an informed decision. consider Carvin. i'm a big fan of Carvin, i think they have the best value for dollar of anything available. if you just like the idea of 'classic' guitars, be aware---- for every good les paul, there are exactly 43 that are pure crap. same thing for stratocasters. so, that means, you have to play ALOT ALOT to figure it out. take your time. the ONLY les paul i ever played, that i would actually like to own, was on sale for $4,000. needless to say, it was out of my price range. LOL i bought a used 1977 Ibanez Artist 2618 instead--- for $600--- and it is every bit the equal of that four thousand dollar les paul. it pays to have knowledge, and demo'ing a thousand different guitars over the years is how i got it. do the same.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 11:26:25
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I go by color.
I like "Blonde" this season.
What else is there?
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 11:32:18
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batsbrew
build it. play a million guitars, figure out what you like best, and why you like it... and build it. anything else could be a compromise. LOL ...geeze bat...the guy has a couple of hundred for an axe! Do you have any idea how much it costs to buy the tools to build? ...and that's just for one type!! I could have a room full of Custom Shop guitars for what I've spent on tools JUST to build a solid body. LOL ...you're right though. Nothing I've played touches the ones I've built. Something about a hand made guitar. Nobody tells me how to buy...nor do they tell me how to build. :)
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 19:36:37
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See if you can find a 29" scaled neck tuned down to A. From what I could find, Metallica's guitar player uses one. Custom build of course, with custom strings, pickups, etc. From what I've read the seven strings aren't really baritone guitars. The longer scale length, 27", 29" is neccesary to acomadate the lower strings and get rid of the mud rumble. I looked for a 29" scaled neck baritone guitar but it became apparent pretty quick it was going to be a real hassle to get one. Fender even has some examples, but you will be lucky to find one in a music store. PRS has one tuned to D.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 19:51:46
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i have three ibanez's,they are great guitars for the buck.
my favorite is the rs 440.
they only made them between 1984-87
but there almost identical in sound to a fender strat except that easy to play/feel of the ibanez.
i have a les paul and i have a les paul copy made by epiphone.
believe it or not,there almost exactly the same.
i should note the epiphone isnt one of those 250.00jobs.
it was 800.00
its top of the line and all the pots have pop up knobs.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 19:59:15
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just get the guitar that you want/ feels good to you and bring it to a guitar tech. there's probally one in the store your gonna buy it from and tell them how you want it set up/ what strings and all. let them deal with the intonation and spring tention of the tremelo.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/15 20:07:28
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Do you have any idea how much it costs to buy the tools to build? yes. i bought pieces for a super strat, paid to have it painted and built, and paid about $1200 for the whole thing. i compare it in quality, with builds by Suhr and Anderson. it is a fine fine machine, and does exactly what i want, because i have the knowledge, and did the homework. i don't have to know how to build anything.... i only have to know how to commission it. if someone is really not that serious about their instrument, and are ok with spending a couple hundred bucks on it (HEY, EDDIE VAN HALEN IS A BILLIONAIRE PLAYING A GUITAR HE PUT $150 INTO!! LOL)...... if they're not serious, then what are we really talking about here? just go to a pawnshop, and pick up a nice axe, and be done with it.  rock and roll baby, it aint brain surgery.
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TysonC
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 02:42:28
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I actually went over to the seven string forums (thanks, mgh) and found somebody selling their old Jackson guitar (a Dinky DK2T).
I remember the time's I'd play my friend's Jackson guitar and that thing was awesome as hell. The one for sale over on sevenstring looks like a pretty sweet guitar as well, but I'm scared to death of paying for a guitar that I've never actually got a chance to play. I could be nabbing a nice instrument for half what it would otherwise cost, but it's a total crapshoot.
Mom always says "never buy a pig in a poke" -- don't get something you can't feel with your own hands.
The seller's putting together a video demo so I can see it, but I'm still uneasy.
Anyways, the guy swapped out the pickups, so just that makes me feel like I'll need to hand it over to a guitar tech as soon as (if) I get it so I know things are set up all properly. I'll see if the tech will let me hang around while he sets it up. It's unlikely, but if he'd be cool with that I'd love to see how guitars are set up. I want to be able to do my own setup at some point, and watching a pro do it might be of some help (you know, that and hours of internet research).
As far as building my own guitar goes, the closest I've ever come is cutting out, routing, and sanding my own body design. I cannibalized a crappy beginner guitar (my first guitar) for the electronics and neck. Anyways, after 20+ hours of designing, cutting, and shaping, I couldn't bring myself to install the trash hardware from the first guitar in my sweet new custom body. I sat it on the shelf and thought, "Oh, okay. I'll get right back to this when I have the money to get some nice electronics and new hardware". It's still sitting in the corner. Guess that's the way it goes when you don't have a pile of money to spend on your projects.
Anyways, thanks for all the advice so far. No doubt I'll have all kinds of questions after this seller's demo video goes up.
Talk to you then.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 04:30:44
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TysonC
I actually went over to the seven string forums (thanks, mgh) and found somebody selling their old Jackson guitar (a Dinky DK2T).
I remember the time's I'd play my friend's Jackson guitar and that thing was awesome as hell. The one for sale over on sevenstring looks like a pretty sweet guitar as well, but I'm scared to death of paying for a guitar that I've never actually got a chance to play. I could be nabbing a nice instrument for half what it would otherwise cost, but it's a total crapshoot.
Mom always says "never buy a pig in a poke" -- don't get something you can't feel with your own hands.
The seller's putting together a video demo so I can see it, but I'm still uneasy.
Anyways, the guy swapped out the pickups, so just that makes me feel like I'll need to hand it over to a guitar tech as soon as (if) I get it so I know things are set up all properly. I'll see if the tech will let me hang around while he sets it up. It's unlikely, but if he'd be cool with that I'd love to see how guitars are set up. I want to be able to do my own setup at some point, and watching a pro do it might be of some help (you know, that and hours of internet research).
As far as building my own guitar goes, the closest I've ever come is cutting out, routing, and sanding my own body design. I cannibalized a crappy beginner guitar (my first guitar) for the electronics and neck. Anyways, after 20+ hours of designing, cutting, and shaping, I couldn't bring myself to install the trash hardware from the first guitar in my sweet new custom body. I sat it on the shelf and thought, "Oh, okay. I'll get right back to this when I have the money to get some nice electronics and new hardware". It's still sitting in the corner. Guess that's the way it goes when you don't have a pile of money to spend on your projects.
Anyways, thanks for all the advice so far. No doubt I'll have all kinds of questions after this seller's demo video goes up.
Talk to you then.
Maybe you can get some references from others in the seven string forum about the seller. As you know, forum members WILL have opinions about who to trust and who to stay away from! LOL! As for your comment about the "nice guitar in the corner," maybe another route is to spend your money on what's needed to finish it?
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 06:11:42
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batsbrew
Do you have any idea how much it costs to buy the tools to build?
yes.
i bought pieces for a super strat, paid to have it painted and built, and paid about $1200 for the whole thing.
i compare it in quality, with builds by Suhr and Anderson.
it is a fine fine machine, and does exactly what i want, because i have the knowledge, and did the homework.
i don't have to know how to build anything....
i only have to know how to commission it.
if someone is really not that serious about their instrument, and are ok with spending a couple hundred bucks on it (HEY, EDDIE VAN HALEN IS A BILLIONAIRE PLAYING A GUITAR HE PUT $150 INTO!! LOL)......
if they're not serious, then what are we really talking about here?
just go to a pawnshop, and pick up a nice axe, and be done with it.
rock and roll baby, it aint brain surgery.
So somebody asks you to build them a guitar and you buy parts commission others to help and you tell them you built the guitar...?
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TysonC
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 15:03:27
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Paying for the tools and hardware to finish my guitar would get expensive really fast. Right now I have no way to cut a pickguard (so, new router), then there's electronics (probably the cheapest thing I'm missing, but still expensive), finish (which means I'd need an air-compressor, airbrush kit, and paint), a new neck, and a couple of months for the paint to cure. Buying a ready-to-use or near-ready-to-use guitar suits my situation much better because I want to get out and playing soon.
I should make sure that guy over on the sevenstring forums is credible, though. I'll have to put some time in on that one.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 15:24:01
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 16:27:52
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Dude! I just called a guy who has that exact guitar for sale in Phoenix! I was so psyched when I saw the EXACT guitar that I was looking for for sale right in my town. Sure it's black and not that crazy yellow that I was hoping for, but really I'd take it in hot pink if it meant getting the guitar I wanted without paying through the nose for shipping. I wonder if the guy who's got that guitar on ebay is the same one who I called? The world may never know... Anyways, let's hope this payday brings enough dough to go get me a new guitar. EDIT: Nah, it can't be the same guy. The one on ebay is from a guitar store. Actually, I called the guitar shop and they said that they're willing to negotiate and take offers. Well, I don't have to pay shipping, they're selling the guitar for a fair price, and it's already set up, meaning no extra charge. Looks like I've found my place. Thanks so much for the link to that ebay post, mgh! Changed the fundamental nature of the game with that one.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 17:04:37
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and it's already set up
is it set up to the specs you want? C is not a common setup. Im sure you can negotiate that into the deal.
post edited by guitarmikeh - 2012/05/16 17:06:18
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 17:09:59
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Don't worry about the color. You can always spray it.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 17:14:16
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You can also cover it with Hello Kitty stickers.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Hope that helps.
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Re:Buying a new guitar -- your recommendations?
2012/05/16 18:01:05
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So somebody asks you to build them a guitar and you buy parts commission others to help and you tell them you built the guitar...? never meant to say 'i built the guitar', if that's what you took away from it, i screwed up. i had the guitar built, from pieces i chose, and custom ordered. Tommy at USACG has done me right twice now. same with Carvin, but way back in the day. it's great to know that you can actually build a partscaster that sounds and plays better than ANYTHING you could pull off the wall, eh? if you wanna go pure custom, as in one of a kind, i've got that too.. The Williams Special. The Williams Special;Paul-Strat-Mustang-Explorer hybrid    back of body/neck: 
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