CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!!

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 00:52:00 (permalink)
I'm guessing some on this thread don't specialize in urban music, which is squashed like crazy and often played on ipods, phones, etc. I always test how mixes sound as mp3s. What's the point of being the end-all, when the listener is going to hear it as an mp3 on their end anyway? I'm not saying source with mp3, but one should be aware of how their music is going to sound, even at 128kbps.

I remember a friend getting on me about importing a mp3-based sample, saying it should be WAV. It was funny because I bitcrushed the sample to 8 bit anyway, so WAVs aren't always essential.

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 01:29:15 (permalink)
I use MP3's as scratch tracks... there are many valid reasons for using an MP3 file in a session. There is no valid reason for a piece of software that claims to have the function to not have it or have buggy implimentation.

I have the same issue the OP does, though I have never figured out why. I have some MP3's that were included in indie games, some from CD's and some from online stores but I could never find a link as to why some of them work and some don't. I get the same error message on my pc - windows 7 64 bit (32 bit Sonar), 8 gig of DDR3 ram, Intel I7, 3 hard drives etc.. certainly not out of memory!

The same files import fine in Pro Tools/Reaper/Cubase. Most of my music collection is tagged though some things haven't been and still have the same issue.
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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 02:52:41 (permalink)
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Why is anyone serious about audio using MP3s as the source? MP3s are ok if you need to distribute over the web, but they are definitely NOT the end game.


I don't think the OP is claiming they are the end game but let's be realistic here, just about everybody that isn't some sort of audiophile, is listening to them. I can imagine the furore on here if Sonar couldn't import mp3s and the answer was "if you're serious about audio you don't need to".

I use them because that is what I get given by 99% of clients that are after demos when I ask them for a version of the song they want to record. I use it as a scratch track for working out tempo, intro, verse, & chorus lengths etc.

That's also why I think it must be an issue fairly unique to the OPs system, because despite all the various sources of mp3s I get, I've never seen this problem.
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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 09:58:26 (permalink)
Thanks for the good ideas and feedback above.  I have 12GB RAM.  I don't believe this is about DRM.  I've never seen any evidence or had any DRM problems with Amazon MP3s, looking at file tags does not show DRM protrection, and I understand Amazon MP3's are supposed to be DRM-free.
 
My opinion is that since the MP3's work flawlessly in other programs, and can be opened by other editors, tag programs, etc. ... then they should also work in Sonar, without requiring the user to do any conversions or data stripping.
 
Obviously others have had this problem, but I did expect to see even more users having it.  So there may be something in certain configs that Sonar is not handling very well.
 
I still believe it's a Sonar problem.  It could be many things.  One idea is memory handling which throws an invalid out of memory error.

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 10:05:04 (permalink)
Thanks for the good ideas and feedback above.  I have 12GB RAM.  I don't believe this is about DRM.  I've never seen any evidence or had any DRM problems with Amazon MP3s, looking at file tags does not show DRM protrection, and I understand Amazon MP3's are supposed to be DRM-free.
 
My opinion is that since the MP3's work flawlessly in other programs, and can be opened by other editors, tag programs, etc. ... then they should also work in Sonar, without requiring the user to do any conversions or data stripping.
 
Obviously others have had this problem, but I did expect to see even more users having it.  So there may be something in certain configs that Sonar is not handling very well.
 
I still believe it's a Sonar problem.  It could be many things.  One idea is memory handling which throws an invalid out of memory error.

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 10:20:07 (permalink)
I feel silly for doing this, but can I bump my own suggestion?

Does the file have an embedded image?

I've run into issues where mp3 files with embedded images over a certain file size will causes this error when importing.

You can always extract the image from the file in a third-party utility. I'm sure there are many different 3rd party tools for this out there, but I've done this before myself with a free utility called Mp3tag that allows you to change the metadata associated with an mp3 file. You can find this at http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

Try saving the file without any embedded images and see if you can import it into SONAR.

If that resolves the issue for you, you're confirming something I've reported internally before. If it doesn't resolve the issue, maybe the others are on to something. Let us know :)
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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 11:21:05 (permalink)
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk
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I feel silly for doing this, but can I bump my own suggestion?

Does the file have an embedded image?

I've run into issues where mp3 files with embedded images over a certain file size will causes this error when importing.

You can always extract the image from the file in a third-party utility. I'm sure there are many different 3rd party tools for this out there, but I've done this before myself with a free utility called Mp3tag that allows you to change the metadata associated with an mp3 file. You can find this at http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

Try saving the file without any embedded images and see if you can import it into SONAR.

If that resolves the issue for you, you're confirming something I've reported internally before. If it doesn't resolve the issue, maybe the others are on to something. Let us know :)
Best regards,

Ryan,
 
Thank you for the bump.  I tried your suggestion and it worked. Removing the image allowed the mp3 to import without a problem.  But I also confirmed that other mp3s import fine even with the embedded cover art image.  I don't know if the image is a symptom or a cause, but I hope this gives Cakewalk a lead to pursue.  Perhaps some images are stored in a format that is not Sonar compatible?  Perhaps some images are larger and put the file over an internal memory limit?  Thank you for jumping into this thread.

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 13:45:19 (permalink)
daveny5


Why is anyone serious about audio using MP3s as the source? MP3s are ok if you need to distribute over the web, but they are definitely NOT the end game.


Actually it is the end game.  Like it or not the world wide media of choice is MP3.
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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/19 14:49:29 (permalink)
We use the MP3 decoding that is built into Windows. It is the Windows decoder that is throwing that error not SONAR. In the future we may consider an alternate mp3 decoder but in the near term there isn't a lot we can do to solve that.
For MP3 encoding on the other hand we use LAME (which requires a licence fee)

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/21 03:24:43 (permalink)
Thanks for the info Noel. Appreciated. :)
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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/21 07:27:41 (permalink)
I get this error a lot and it's always with MP3's bought from....wait for it... Amazon.

I teach guitar and for each student i use a seperate Sonar project with Amplitube 3 and any material (audio files) that we're working on. I often purchase MP3's from Amazon of any songs my students want to learn. Lately (and I'm not outright saying since X1 but it's possible) I get the 'Out Of Memory' error when trying to import MP3s from Amazon. Strangely, not on all though, but on the majority.

Recent MP3s from Amazon that produce this error for me (off the top of my head)

Pyro - Kings Of Leon
Radioactive - Kings of Leon
Rolling In The Deep - Adele
Love Me Like You - Magic Numbers
Forever Lost - Magic Numbers
Mosely Shoals Deluxe (the whole double album) - Ocean Colour Scene
Who Knew - Pink
Paint it Black - Vennessa Carlton

I currently get around it by simply using Windows Media Player alongside Sonar. I will definetley get around to trying some of the fixes mentioned here.

Thanks
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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/21 14:03:01 (permalink)
I've noticed "Out of Memory" errors on newer MP3s I purchased either from iTunes and Amazon. It seemed to effect only those artists that were of a current or classic popularity. 
A run through Sound Forge or Audacity or a DRM removal tool* fixed all that. 

*Of course, I do not advocate at all removing or bypassing DRM.

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/21 14:12:33 (permalink)
Noel,
 
Thank you for providing the answer.  By the hits shown on this thread, I think you can see there's a lot of interest, so I hope Cakewalk will make it a priority.  If other pro DAWs are not having this issue, there must be a practical solution.
 
Another thing to consider is that Microsoft frequently works with software developers to resolve errors like this.  If you can raise the issue to Microsoft then they may resolve it and put it in an update.  In a prior job, I often worked with Microsoft on things like this, and I found them to be very receptive.  This may be an option for you.
 
 

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/21 14:16:13 (permalink)
Noel,
 
Thank you for providing the answer.  By the hits shown on this thread, I think you can see there's a lot of interest, so I hope Cakewalk will make it a priority.  If other pro DAWs are not having this issue, there must be a practical solution.
 
Another thing to consider is that Microsoft frequently works with software developers to resolve errors like this.  If you can raise the issue to Microsoft then they may resolve it and put it in an update.  In a prior job, I often worked with Microsoft on things like this, and I found them to be very receptive.  This may be an option for you.
 
 

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2011/11/27 18:20:02 (permalink)
I have the same problem in Sonar 8.5. I was directed here. I also used to be able to do this without any problem. When I looked up the problem in Sonar help, I got the following paragraph. However, I'm not sure how to enact what they say. This is a line in the Wave section of the Aud.ini file that sets the buffer size for bouncing tracks. At a value of 0, the bounce buffer is the same size as the Mixing Latency value that you set in the Audio Options dialog. If you find that bouncing tracks, especially with certain soft synths, takes a very long time, you can set this value to 100, or some value between 0 and 350 so that the bounce buffer will use a more efficient size for bouncing, which has different requirements from normal playback latency. Note: on larger projects, setting this variable to a large value can cause out-of-memory errors.
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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! MP3 Import Issue 2012/09/18 23:56:52 (permalink)
Ok....I had the same problem in X1 importing an mp3 from Amazon.com.
 
Why am I importing an mp3?
 
Learning a cover song...easer with the loop function.
 
Anyway I got the same error (out of memory)
 
Turns out the suggestion regarding removing the cover art was spot on.
 
Dowload a program called media monkey. Remove the album art via the properties screen in Media Monkey. Drag and drop mp3 into sonar.
 
DONE.
 
Thanks!
 

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! MP3 Import Issue 2012/09/19 01:04:15 (permalink)
I have had the problem numerous times.  Glad I followed this thread to find the reason why.  It would be very nice to have a permanent fix built into Sonar.

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2012/09/19 03:07:08 (permalink)
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I stripped all the tags that I could access with my tag editor program, and results are the same.  I can't access all the tags, some are called internal tags, I could strip a few internals, but most of them don't allow editing.
 
Part of the reason I put this on the user forum was to see if others are having the same problem, especially with mp3's from Amazon.


I've also seen this error-message.

A few days ago I was helping a friend getting started in Sonar.
I was thinking; a good way of getting to know the tools and workflow is to just import an existing song and then
try to "copy" it's sound just by listening to the original and, by ear, creating the same song with the tools available in Sonar.

For this I wanted to import an mp3-file to have as a template-track, but instead got this "Out of memory"-msg.

I really don't know the settings or resolution of the mp3-file since we just took one of her mp3-songs. But I can confirm that not only you have experienced this problem.


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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2012/09/19 12:26:45 (permalink)
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When you say "most" mp3's fail to import, have you looked into what the differences are between the ones that do and the ones that don't?

 
I buy mp3's primarily from Amazon solely to A/B (Sure I'd prefer another format, but mp3 is what the retailers are selling, and what buyers are hearing on their players).  I've been using X1 since it came out.  Never had a problem before X1. The mp3s throw an out of memory error.  I've looked at the differences, I don't see any.  TAG formatting has been mentioned in the past, I don't see a difference there.  However, if Sonar is unable to read certain mp3s or TAG formats, I strongly believe Sonar should be fixed.
 
As far as shouting ... excuse me for that.  I'm very frustrated with this.  I'm trying to get attention from Cakewalk on this issue.  It's been brought up before and has not been adequately addressed, IMO.

If memory serves me right, I remember this exact conversation a few months ago on this forum about the exact same thing, something to do with the new mp3 format allowing full album covers inside the mp3 file...somehow and I don't remember how, one has to strip this info out and the mp3 will import fine..
 

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Re:CAKEWALK - PLEASE FIX "OUT OF MEMORY" ERROR !!!!! 2012/09/19 12:30:33 (permalink)
it is a possibility, this thread is almost a year old.
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