downsouthstudio
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CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
I currently have carpet over concrete in my garage studio that is getting worn. Carpet and the new laminated-wood flooring are about the same price. Seems to me carpet would be best. Your opinions please. Jeff
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 06:36:39
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hey Jeff- One great option that I have discovered is to use Luann Underlayment. You just stain and varnish it and it looks beautiful! It's only about $10 for an 8' X 4' sheet- which is much cheaper than about anything... if you're on cement you'd probably have to glue it which is non-optimal, can make crackling noises if you don't use enough glue. sounds like a wood floor which is much better IMO since you get a nice warm reflection and can always cover that with carpet if you need dead. HTH- Ev
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 07:02:12
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I hazard to guess that wood flooring is useful if you want a live sounding room where you intend to capture the room ambiance. That assumes you have a good sounding room with proper diffusion treatment. Carpet would be better if you want a dead sound, do mostly close miking, or need help with sound absorption because of a bad sounding room (most spare room/basement studios). I guess I've never seen a well designed recording room with carpet on the floor (area rugs maybe for spot treatment)...
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 07:15:53
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Do you like the sound of your room with the carpet??? If your not, then it wont hurt to try soemthing else. Each of these surfaces bring something to the table. The Wood or th elaminated wood wil make it more lively, so if your room is too dead, i would go with the wood. if your room is lively with the carpet, then get thicker carped and more padding, if you dont like it that way Cj
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 07:53:43
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I would go for wood floor, one of the nice ones that holds on to dust. Easier to clean, gives some acoustic in the room and it won't irritate people with dust allergies and you will probably not get tired as quickly. Treat your walls and ceiling instead to maintain a "dead" space. Good luck and post some pics when you're done;) Marius
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 07:59:46
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Do you mean an engineered wood laminate where a 1/4 to 1/2 inch slice of real wood is bonded to a cheaper substrate or do you mean the rally cheap fibreboard with a photograph of wood on it that snaps together without glue. If it's the latter then I'd suggest sticking with carpet, which won't squeak. You could always buy a few square yards of the click together stuff to put down on top of the carpet if you need a reflective surface below something though.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 09:34:37
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 12:16:43
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THANKS TO ALL... The "allergy" problem with carpet plus the "ambient sound" leads me toward wood. I was initially looking for the "cheap" laminate flooring....now I'll have to check into a better wood option. The "article" suggested vinyl flooring would be somewhere between dull carpet and ambient "good" wood flooring. The new "floating" laminated flooring "does" have a rubber pad that it floats on....this may eliminate the "squeak/cracking" that some spoke of. Decisions, decisions. Thanks, Jeff
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 12:22:19
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If this is a garage... what happens when it gets wet? My studio is in a garage and I've got indoor/outdoor carpet which was relatively inexpensive. Just laid it down over the concrete so if there's any flooding I can lift it up and dry it off or replace it or whatever. In 1995 we had a hell of a storm and water did come in. I've got anything of value up a couple of inches off the floor, too. For instance my amps are on dollies, etc. Something to think of. I know a guy who lost a valuable comic book collection during the same storm because they were in boxes on the floor and got ruined.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 13:13:34
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lots of good thoughts here! My own logic, which may or may not make sense, is to go with a wood or vinyl floor in a control room (critical listening) space, and wood in a recording space. Mostly, I just like the sound<G>, but from a practical perspective it is much easier to add throw rugs or other type of carpet to a wood floor than it is to add wood to a carpeted floor. That's it, that's my complete thought process! In a control room I'll (hopefully) only "adjust" the behavior of the room once, and if I knew from the start that I had lots of lively surfaces I might go with a nice carpet from the beginning, but usually I like to leave myself as many options as I can, simply because financially it gives me the best shot at controlling costs. In a recording room I use wood because I want options, and lots of them. If you are going to go with anything other than carpet, and you are going to be recording in the space, then you do need to pay attention to the creaks and squeaks. If it is your monitoring environment, and you usually sit really still, and you never have a live microphone in there then maybe you can be a little less picky. I think the extra money for a quiet floor is usually well spent since it is unlikely that you will never find a reason to record in there<G>! The comments on dust and cleaning are spot on, and lessons I learned the hard way. I prefer to spend my time in the studio doing pretty much anything but cleaning, so I try to make that task as easy as possible these days. Do report back...
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 13:28:15
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You can always put carpets temporarily on the wood if you feel like it, but covering a wall to wall carpet with wood temporarily would be quite a task. And the carpet can be a nuisance to vocal chords even without actual allergy because of the dust. Here the use of carpets is forbidden in schools and kindergartens (for example) cause it's proven all kinds of moulds love them.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 13:36:55
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Go with the wood. Carpet attracts dust, which then gets sucked up into your computer, eventually clogging the fans. If you mic acoustic instruments in that space, you'll probably like the enhanced ambiance that wood gives. Just get some thick pile throw rugs for your vocal tracking space, and if you need to mic a small amp set it on a chair to get it away from the wood floor.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 13:53:45
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one other thing about the Luann Underlayment (besides how freakin cheap it is) is that if you're flooring over wood (or old anything), you put the foam underlayment under it and its absolutely dead quiet to walk on. Glues are only a problem when you have to glue- (eg, concrete), but when you put the foam underlayment down under (almost any kind of) wood flooring (that you can NAIL)- it's really quiet to walk on. It's a roll of plastic with flexible foam, like the flexible packing foam, not bubble wrap... another huge advantage of wood floors is the huge boundary-effect bass boost you can get for amps, kick drums, etc, by placing the source near a corner or wall. I track a lot in the control room so it's nice to have wood in there too- just drill a big hole in the wall and run cables into your computer tower in there and you get NO COMPUTER NOISE!
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 15:29:10
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Hi Jeff, I just installed the laminate flooring (I think your talking about) in my frontroom where the TV is. We previously had carpet and the sound from our surround system changed dramatically and not for the good. Lots of room echo now. Heh heh, we're going to end up getting a big throw rug that will cover most of it. Oh well, my wife loves it. As far as the squeaks and crackles are concerned I'm not sure. There is a little (very slightly) but since the underfoor is plywood sitting on joists I'm not sure how much is attributable to the new flooring. Even though it is the phony stuff it still looks vey nice and was very easy to install. Heh heh, It's hard on saw blades though. I'm not sure if I would be afraid to use it for recording on or not. Floor transmision to the mics is a huge problem when the floor isn't solid. T.S.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 16:08:17
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Great advice from all of you.... Seems there is just no "cutting corners" when it comes to the studio............"do it right or suffer the consequences." Will probably just stick with carpet for now and make a real "studio wood floor" when the royalties start comin in (may be a while :>) aaaaaaachew !..."Allergy Alert"....! Thanks Jeff
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 16:29:30
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I had carpet in my house (my office/studio is an a study on the first floor) and a couple months ago we pulled out all the carpet and laid down hand scraped 5" maple - my studio/office included. I've got a quite a few 703 panels up and on the ceiling as well and from what I can tell thus far, I'm much happier with the wood than the carpet. It was just too dead in here with the carpet - the wood really sounds more live. I mainly record acoustic guitar and vocals - so it's worked out quite well for me.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 16:34:39
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Well..............Im changing my mind with "every" new post. hahaha Has anyone used a "DIRT" floor??......................price should be right. :>) Jeff
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 17:42:43
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I had a carpet floor for a few years, and the problem was more to do with cleaning than with sound. I installed a laminate floor, with the foam underlayment, and it looks way better and is easy to keep clean. I have a lot of traffic through the studio, and every session, someone walks in with dirt or wet shoes, or spills something. They may even just set a Big Gulp on the floor for a few minutes, and the ring left behind looks like crap and carpet requires a lot of maintenence to keep that fresh look. Run fast from carpet, and the laminate is good, quiet, clean. If you need to deaden the space, put strategic treatments on the walls and/or ceiling, or use rugs, but traffic on carpet will look like crap quickly. My experience.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 18:50:51
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Having run my flooring store for 20 years, I'd be glad to answer questions on each flooring type......but more info is needed. Heating/humidity/dryness/temp/etc. are all needed to reccomend proper flooring. What are you trying to accomplish? What's the square footage you need? What kind of concrete? Is concrete level? Are you going to finish properly? (ie. wall to wall with baseboards and quarter round) Many things to consider..... definately wouldn't do the luan. W/o knowing more, you might consider a rubber flooring. Good for allergy/static/some sound absorbsion/also if you drop mics/guitars, etc.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 19:08:42
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cork? Two people I know have recently put cork flooring in and it's lovely to walk on, quiet, soft, not too cold, looks nice... I have no idea what the acoustic properties might be though...
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 19:14:07
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I have no idea what the acoustic properties might be though... Changes again with a few layers of that polyurethane varnish they use sometimes, to make it durable. By itself it's pretty absorbent, I think.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 19:37:14
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Which ever way you decide (IMO both) carpet for the mixing side and wood for the recording side or all wood with a carpet rug under you during mixing and editing. If you do decide on wood make sure it is well sealed under it because cement sweats and could ruin your floor not to mention that musty smell.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 19:47:57
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Has anyone used a "DIRT" floor??......................price should be right. :>) The original Motown studio had a dirt floor.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/28 19:59:24
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quote: Has anyone used a "DIRT" floor??......................price should be right. :>) droddey wrote The original Motown studio had a dirt floor. Talk about raising a ton of dust. Nope don't think you can vacuum your way out of this one. Has your wife look at you strangely lately??????
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/29 04:25:22
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ORIGINAL: Black Pug Studios Having run my flooring store for 20 years, I'd be glad to answer questions on each flooring type......but more info is needed. ___________________ I like the idea of NOT using carpet, mainly because its hard to keep clean. Ive never installed a wood floor and would have to have it installed.....expensive. What do you think about using Linoleum Tiles? Easy to put down and easy to clean and sanitize. I have had linoleum in my kitchen forever and its over a concrete slab. Since the squares stick so tight, Ive never had a problem with "sweating" loosening the tiles. Id like to "brighten" up the studio anyway........maybe use a light color vinyl tile....and, I know how to lay those. Sooooo.....Im down to wood (expensive) verses much cheaper and easy to install tiles. Thanks to all, Jeff
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/29 08:26:40
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downsouthstudio If you have the time go over to home depot and check out a couple of new items. One of which looks, feel, and sound like real wood but it is not. This stuff is so cool you could have it laid out in an hour. Plus you wont have to worry about the floor sweating.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/29 08:36:36
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ORIGINAL: terry1 downsouthstudio If you have the time go over to home depot and check out a couple of new items. One of which looks, feel, and sound like real wood but it is not. This stuff is so cool you could have it laid out in an hour. Plus you wont have to worry about the floor sweating. What is the name of the new flooring.....? Thanks, Jeff
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/29 09:00:02
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downsouthstudio I don't remember. I don't work in that department. But since I do have to work today ill check it out and let you know.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/29 09:56:21
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I have 100 + year old hardwood. Don't be fooled by the pergo type floors that are made out of sawdust. My old home had the new wood floors and they don't last. The "picture" of the wood on the top actually can get worn out if you have heavy traffic (or kids or a dog) and I would think a chair in your control room with castors would do it in quickly. The fake wood also doesn't cound very good. Look into getting some hardwood floors. If you check places like Lumber Liquidators you can get decent pricing on hardwood and you'll put it in once. When I bought my new home the floors were old and diret and had linolium and/or carpet over them for years. I hired a resurfacing company to come in and sand and poly them - about $1500.00 for the whole first floor and they look brand new. If you do go with fake, make sure you buy extra so that you can replace what wears - although this will be a PITA as it is not that easy to get up.
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RE: CARPET vs WOOD for floor.
2008/05/29 10:55:03
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Noah330 Its not pergo and there is zero gluing or nailing. They are not even wood. What you are recomending on a cement floor you had better make sure the cement doesn't sweat ever! The only thing Ive ever seen that should be used before laing down real wood floors on cement is this board thats about 2' x 2' and has a bunch of small black feet so the wood will never touch the cement plus it allows it to breath.
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