CDs/DVDs arrrgh!

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2012/01/27 00:46:11 (permalink)

CDs/DVDs arrrgh!

I wish to rant, but the object of this is to open that hoary old chestnut: burning discs. I have not done this for a long time and remember that it was always a bit dodgy. I figured that would have changed. But it appears not. I have a LiteOn DVD drive. I tried lots of software. I do not seem to have any bundled. I used the Nero Kwik Media thing with the purchased DVD burn app to make the final DVD from the wmv file. That worked. I used AVS4U to do the CD (that did not work) and to mirror the DVD (that worked). I used LG DVD (do not know if they are +r or -R)and CD, then Verbatim CD-R CDs on a second attempt. OK. I was charged with the music/slideshow for a funeral:y Brother in Law's actually.So I got all the photos together and got to work on the slideshow. Much gnashing and gnawing about what slides, what music etc. In the end a pretty good result though. To make the DVD. I used Win Movie Maker to make the movie and apart from some strange little bits, it worked well. Then, after all the heartache about the video, "all we had to do" was make the DVD. Use Win DVD Maker! I had tried it with another slide show, also created in Win Movie Maker. Great. But my video had a fade from black at the start, and fades between slides.The resulting DVD had no fade at the start, the slides were randomly timed and the fades all of different lengths. To other software; trying this and that (everything tall and thin, everything great bit the sound was completely stuffed, I had no _way_ of understanding the process that the software wanted me to do, because it was all ion geek talk)until at last after about 5 coasters I made a DVD...and it worked. I did pay for the software that worked, as above (Nero shill-ware and AVS4U). I cannot believe that there is so much garbage software out there, and that it must work for _some_ people, because it gets good reviews. ....however.... To CDs. I had CD creator software. All worked fine. I played the CD on a car CD player and all sounded good. I made a mirror copy. I went to the funeral parlour. First song fine. Second song, b-d b-d b-d b-d. Third song "No CD". The copy was of course exactly the same. Homer.Re-cut CD. Play on a home CD player. Perfect. Make a copy. Play it. Perfect. TO ANOTHER BRANCH of the funeral parlour......you can guess it. IN _exactly_ same places it did _exactly_ the same things. The parlour did not know if the player was the same make as the other branch's. The CDs I burned were Imation in the first case and Verbatim in the second. By this time I was in such a panic that I do not know if I used the same burning software, but I think I did. I did use the same PC DVD unit. All tracks had been normalised to -3dB, so there would be no nasty surprises at play time. Two of them had been altered in volume (fades etc, but that was not where the trouble was, on the timeline). Both tracks that had been faded/truncated gave trouble: the second, jittery one, jittered at the start, although it was faded to another song a few minutes in. The third, that simply did not appear at all to the player, had had the first minute removed. So.... can altering the wav file affect the CD? I suppose not, as the CDs played perfectly on my players. SO. What the....or to put it another way, any help appreciated.

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    Re:CDs/DVDs arrrgh! 2012/01/27 13:34:24 (permalink)
    Hi Nick,

    I know this is a frustrating situation to be in. I've been there myself so I feel your pain. As for your burner, that's a good one so you're ok there. As for software, I've had no problems doing what I needed to do using Nero 10. It's loaded with everything from back-ups to making movies and creating customized CD's and DVD's. It's never let me down and I've been a Nero user since version 6.

    As for your video editing software, though it may be a bit pricey and has a slight learning curve, you can't go wrong with Sony Vegas. It's pretty much a high end program, but more "high end for serious consumers" than being "high end for the pros". As for creating DVD's, I have had no problems with Win DVD maker. It's been flawless for me and I do quite a bit of video work using it.

    The thing you mention about missing tracks etc...this could be a lot of things. Some CD players and DVD players can't read the newer stuff of today. In some cases, it can even be the media you use. For example, I have an old TV here that has a DVD player in it. One of the first ones that ever came out. It will not play the DVD's I create correctly and sometimes, it won't play them at all or it will stop in the middle...or give me some sort of "loading" message to where it never plays. If I put the DVD in my entertainment center or on my pc, it plays fine. Weird thing here...my father has one of those old TV's too with the DVD built in. My stuff plays perfectly on his and it's older than mine....go figure!

    As for CDR's...again, same thing man. I have a 2001 Corvette. It has a pretty killer Bose system in it. There have been times when certain CDR's I have burned come up as "disc error" when I try to play them in that system. I change my media, and it works. You would think I'd be ok with a system that came out in 2001...but with the way media is today as well as how things may have changed in how it writes, it's going to be pretty common to get these errors from time to time in certain systems. So though I can feel your frustration having been through it myself, unfortunately that's just the way it is.

    Heck I can throw you one better. I had a client send me a 2 hour show that needed the audio to be sync'd up and mastered. I also had to fly in a few special effects in the video portion and have a pop up come up that showed the name of each song in the show as they performed it. I had this killer video all done, audio sounding fantastic...it's just the way I want it. I export it and then play it on a DVD player. Everything is killer....I'm loving everything about it. It gets to one part of the video where the name of the song comes up, and the video of the band does not. The music plays and sounds great...but no vid of the band!!! What the heck?! I go back to my master files and look at that section, it's perfect.

    So I go to export again thinking maybe there was a glitch somewhere. Go through it all again (rendering time on a 2 hour video takes some time, lemme tell ya lol) and the same thing happens. For the life of me, I can't figure out why this is happening and it's driving me nuts! For some odd reason, the master files work...but this doesn't. How could this be?! Well, I go back into the master files and look at where I might have done some editing. Vegas works a lot like Sonar as far as slip editing...so all I had to do was slide out what I edited in that section. I slide it out and just export that part of the video so I don't have to wait 4 hours. It plays and I can see it now! So, I go back into the project....slide out where I edited so the bad stuff is there again, then I re-save it with a different file name. I edit out the stuff again, export and I'm fine.

    So, something must have been corrupt with the file or something when I edited it and bringing it back to itself and resaving must have fixed it. I still really don't know..but it worked. Talk about frustrating?! Thank God I wasn't late delivering this to the client....but, it shows proof that even with decent software, you can still experience these little Gremlins from time to time. I've never had anything like this happen before and I've done literally hundreds of videos. Sometimes, it's just your turn for an anomaly to take place. Anyway...hope some of this helps. Best of luck to you.

    -Danny
    post edited by Danny Danzi - 2012/01/27 13:37:17

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    Re:CDs/DVDs arrrgh! 2012/01/27 19:18:13 (permalink)
    Wow! OK....scary. My problem is that at this stage I am not up for doing many videos.So spending bux is not really an option. That was why I used freebies as much as possible. If you had that experience with your video, where the actual content affected the final DVD, then I may have something similar. What still gets me though is that it worked on two units perfectly, but not two others. I am willing to bet that the two failures were the same make and model, as the funeral company would probably buy bulk. So it seems to be a really weird combination of ....stuff. If I had had more time I would have tried to problem solve, but in the end we had to use bought CDs. I was still being given photos to include the day the video was to be delivered! BTW. Sick vehicle. I have always had a soft spot for Corvettes. Trouble is, here in Oz to get one with RH steering cost a fortune.

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    Re:CDs/DVDs arrrgh! 2012/01/27 19:20:19 (permalink)
    Wot's happening? ALl my messages are losing their line-breaks. Does this one? Yup. Sure does.

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