COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP!

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COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP!

I am *trying* to get the recording to work with my CakeWalk Music Recorder 2 program, and I can't do it! I've read all the topics on the board about the soundcard under options-audio, but it says "none" under playback wave device, the dropdown list isn't even click-able under "record wave device." Please help! I'm two steps away from throwing this software out the window!
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/02 13:06:50 (permalink)
    jimmy, (i assume), first of all, take a deep breath and try to relax a little. computers can be very frustrating, so we all need to take a break and get a better perspective sometimes.

    now on to your problem. what you are describing says to me that CW doesn't recognize that there are any sound cards availble for use. Tell me more about your hardware, computer, OS, RAM, and especially your sound card. Is it a motherboard onboard card, or a PCI, or a USB, Firewire, PCMCIA?

    If you are running a version of Windows such as XP or 2000, you should go look at what it thinks you have installed for a sound card.

    Go to START>CONTROL PANEL>SYSTEM>HARDWARE>DEVICE MANAGER (XP version - 2000 might be a little different, I don't remember) ...scroll down to where it says SOUND, VIDEO AND GAME CONTROLLERS. Click on the "+" to open the subdirectories. There will be several things listed there (hopefully), you need to find one or more of them that have something to do with one or more of your sound cards (depending on if you have more than one or not - i.e. if you have an onboard card AND a PCI card).

    If you can't figure out which one(s) are sound cards from the description, open each one by double clicking. Only real devices (such as sound cards or keyboards or other sound peripherals) will have a TAB at the top for DRIVERS.

    once you've located ALL of the devices in that area that have drivers listed, post those here.

    if you don't have ANY listed in there, then windows is not recognizing your sound card as being installed. In fact, if there's hardware actually installed, but windows doesn't recognize it, it should be LISTED, but it will have a yellow "!" in front of it. If that's the case, then there's a problem with either the device or the drivers (more likely the drivers). Try removing the device, bringing windows back up, then back down and reinstalling the device and drivers per the manufacturer's instructions.

    Then take two asprin and call me back later!

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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/02 16:10:57 (permalink)
    Hello Mr.Beagle,
    I seem to have the same angst and hair-pulling experience Mr. St-Jimmy-on-Holiday is having.
    I did as you instructed and found these: Realtek AC '97 Audio for VIA (R) Audio Controller, Sound Blaster 16 or AWE 32 or Compatible (WDM) -this is not running, and, Unimodem Half-Duples Audio Device. I have a Compaq Presario.
    I'm going out to get those asperins.
    Thanks.
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/02 17:03:09 (permalink)
    No How,
    First, I want to verify that you say you have the exact same problem - do you mean that in the MC OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVERS there are NO sound cards listed?

    You have 2 sound cards listed in the stuff you told me about. At this point they both *should* be showing up in MC in the audio drivers for selection. (The unimodem half-duplex is probably a fax-modem)

    First, I would disable the REALTEK - that's your Motherboard's ONBOARD sound card and it's almost useless for recording audio. To disable it, go back into the START>CONTROL PANEL>SYSTEM>HARDWARE>DEVICE MANAGER>SOUND, VIDEO AND GAME CONTROLLERS and double click on the REALTEK selection. At the bottom of that popup window there's a pull down menu that says "USE THIS DEVICE" or "DISABLE THIS DEVICE". Choose disable. If you know how to get into your BIOS if there's an option there for disabling your motherboard's sound card, then do that as well, but there's no way for me to know how to step by step guide you thru that since all MOBO are different.

    Next, open MC, go to OPTIONS>AUDIO> SOMETHING (sorry - I'm doing this from memory) go to the last tab and select everything listed in the inputs and outputs. Then go back to another one of the tabs and look for the audio driver. It will have a pull down selection of either WDM or MME. If choose WDM.

    Make sure the sampling rate is the same as the sound card (sound blasters use 48,000htz) - that should also be on the same tab, but you'll have to open your SB control panel to check the sampling rate that it is set to.

    At the bottom of that same tab, there's a button called WAVE PROFILER - run that.

    Take the asprin and call back later!

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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 07:38:08 (permalink)
    Beagle,
    I disabled REALTEK and still nothing in input or out put. Now my computer is completely frozen. (I'm on a different pc) The mouse won't move and there is no response anywhere. I tried shutting down and restarting and it wont come back on. It makes a lot of whirrrring sound but no screen.
    For some reason the Sound Blaster 16 wont run. the screen says it's a 'code 10'. I tried uninstalling and re-installing but no luck. (This is before everything froze up.)
    Do you have any advise?
    Thanks.
    post edited by No How - 2006/05/03 07:46:01
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 07:54:24 (permalink)
    Wow! It sounds like you've got some major hardware problems. Did you disable the REALTEK in BIOS or just in windows? If you did it in BIOS, then the first thing I would do would be go back into the BIOS and use the RESET TO DEFAULT settings and see if your computer comes back up.

    If you didn't disable the sound card in BIOS, but only in Windows, then I would first remove the SB card and try to start it back up. If it still doesn't come back up, then start it up in SAFE MODE, change the settings back to what they were before the catastrophe, then reboot.

    If that doesn't bring it back up then you've got more hardware problems than I could probably help you with.

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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 08:24:39 (permalink)
    Hello Beagle,
    I did not disable in BIOS but in Windows. I will take out the Sound Blaster card and try again. Thanks for the help. I will get back to you when I home from work.


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    post edited by No How - 2006/05/03 08:32:13
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 20:17:19 (permalink)
    Hello Beagle,
    I moved my soundcard to another slot and the computer is up and running
    I still have no sound (since I've disabled Realtek and have not figured out how to get SoundBlaster to work.
    I looked again in the Midi Options screen and I have nothing in either column.
    Where should i go to get the Sound Blaster to engage?
    Thank you.
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 20:39:52 (permalink)
    Now i can't get MC to start.
    I ran the wave profiler then exited to restart the program and now it won't come back!
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 22:22:15 (permalink)
    Mr.Beagle,
    I got my MC back up and now am without any sound at all on my pc. I can't seem to find the Realtek I dis abled yesterday and the computer says that the Sound Blaster is not installed right. (I don't have the CD that should come with it as I took it off my windows 95 computer.)
    Can you guide me through a way to get some sound? I would appreciate it very much indeed.
    Thank you.
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 22:59:39 (permalink)
    So, what exactly configuration do you have now, I am not following you. Is your SB card still in the computer? (by "not installed right" do you mean that it still has the error code 10?) Is the Realtek still disabled?

    For now, I will assume those are the case and you can correct me if that's not it. Go look for the latest driver for your sound card here: Drivers

    Try reinstalling your sound card drivers and see if that helps.

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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/03 23:45:26 (permalink)
    Go to options/audio and make sure that the sound blaster is listed as the playback and record device.

    I'd Seize the day but i can't quite reach it!

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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 07:37:13 (permalink)
    In Options/Audio I have nothing listed.

    Sound Blaster is giving code 10 and Realtek is dis abled and no where to be found.
    I will look for the driver and try reinstalling although I'm not sure how that is done.
    This must be one awesome recording tool because it sure as hell isn't easy.
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 11:00:46 (permalink)
    No How - you're having hardware problems that most users don't experience. If you need help reinstalling the drivers I'll be glad to help you with it, just let me know. If reinstalling the drivers here don't help then you might have to either get help from Compaq or purchase a new sound card. If you decide to purchase a new sound card, I would advise checking on the cakewalk site for their recommendations for compatible equipment (I can find the link for you if you wish), and/or search thru these forum posts...there are a lot of people who have made recommendations on that very subject. I can also throw in my 2cents if you want.

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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 11:30:24 (permalink)
    Hello Beagle,
    The exchange rate on your 2 cents is quite high over here! I would love your take on this and what you recommend. I will try the driver download when I get home unless you think the Sound Blaster isn't worth the time (and tears!)
    Thanks for all your help!
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 12:23:09 (permalink)
    Can I be honest? In a word: NO. If you have the money to upgrade the SB is not a desirable card to use for DAW (especially the SB 16AWE - that's an old 16 bit card).

    Here's the link on the cakewalk site for recommendations for sound cards compatible with their products:
    CW SoundCards

    HOWEVER - even tho they list 3 Creative cards, I (and many others in these forums) do NOT recommend them for DAW. They are designed for home theater and gaming and there are much better alternatives for the same price ranges for use in DAWs.

    I own an M-audio Delta 44 that I purchased from Guitar Center for $140. It has 4 analog unbalanced inputs and 4 unbalanced outputs that you can easily access thru a breakout box using 1/4" TS connectors. It's big sister is the Delta 66 which also has SPDIF I/O if you need those connections (I doubt that you do). Other good m-audio products include the 1010LT (if you need to record a lot of inputs at the same time and don't want to purchase a mixing board) or the 2496 is very popular. The 2496 has 2 analog, 1 SPDIF and 1 MIDI inputs and outputs. This is a good board if you need a specific MIDI input. M-Audio. You might also want to consider an external "sound card" using Firewire. (NOTE: I do NOT recommend USB for sound card interface. Others might disagree, but I don't believe USB is capable of the same level of quality for the same amount of money using Firewire or PCMCIA or PCI). M-audio has some options for those: M-audio mobile

    The EMU has newer technology and have several good options available. The EMU 0404 is a great entry level card with 2 analog inputs/outputs, 1 SPDIF I/O and 1 MIDI I/O and I think you can get it for ~$100. There are other nice EMU boards available that go up from there and you can find more info on them on the website. EMU Products They also have some sweet looking interfaces that you can purchase for your mics and instruments that go in the signal chain between them and the sound card.

    There are a lot of other sound cards available which are good for DAW work - these seem to be the most popular among entry level users. It really depends on what you want to accomplish and how you want your home studio to function as to what you want to get.

    Good luck!

    P.S. - where's "over here" - across the Big Pond?
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 13:11:05 (permalink)
    Beagle,
    'Over here' is the Land-of-Befuddled-Desperation also known as pc purgatory. I'm a new englander by earth location.
    I will check into the sites you gave me and see what I can afford.
    I'm sure you'll hear from me soon.
    Thanks again.
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 18:36:57 (permalink)
    Beagle,
    Can you please direct me in restoring (enabling) the Realtek that I disabled?
    I can't seem to find it and until I buy another sound card it's all I have. (the kids use it for games.) If the new sound card i purchase will work for both (MC and the kids games), then it isn't as vital that I find the Realtek.
    Thanks.
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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 18:52:00 (permalink)
    Have you removed the SB card? do that first, the boot back up.

    Next, go to START>CONTROL PANEL>SYSTEM>HARDWARE>DEVICE MANAGER>SOUND, VIDEO AND GAME CONTROLLERS and click on the "+" beside it to open the subcategories. Find the REALTEK listed there - it will probably have a yellow "!" beside it. Double click it and go to the bottom of the screen and use the pulldown menu to "enable this device".

    If you can't find the REALTEK listed there at this time, go back to START>CONTROL PANEL>ADD HARDWARE and let the hardware wizard search for your sound card.

    If that doesn't work, my next suggestion would be to reinstall your computer's drivers from the discs that came with your Compaq. There should be one of the discs that deal with restoring your sound (and probably other things).

    Let me know how it goes.

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    RE: COMPLETELY FUSTRATED WITH RECORDING. PLEEEASE HELP! 2006/05/04 19:11:49 (permalink)
    Thanks. I'll give it a whirl.
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