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CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
I have a funny feeling if I report this as a bug, it will be labeled "as intended". However, there's nothing intentional about pressing CTRL+A or doing a lasso select on the track view to clone a section of the song, and only have some clips selected for no other reason, than something I did days ago and couldn't possibly remember.
It's the same design flaw that comes up over and over and over again throughout Sonar. The user is expected to remember the state of the program that could be set days ago.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 02:49:48
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Is that in X3? I don't see that. Ctrl + A selects everything regardless of edit filter setting.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 04:21:04
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Yes it is. Try moving the selected clips afterward. Those whose tracks whose edit filters are not set to "Clips" won't move.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 04:30:47
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And while we're at it, I'd love to see how the user will get blamed for this one: Just trying to lasso-select the clips on the right using the right mouse button. Instead, all the clips get selected.  And if the answer is something to the tune of "there's an envelope somewhere in there, so the entire length of the envelope got selected", then I will lose my faith in humanity.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 04:53:30
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I'm not trying to blame anyone, merely pointing out that I don't see that behaviour. As you can see here As for the second one I don't see all clips getting selected. Only the ones touched by the lasso. Am I mis-understanding something?
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 05:17:56
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For the second issue, very often if you lasso-select a bunch of clips, or clips and folders, which include one or more on the very top 'row' (i.e. the uppermost track) then the selection marker in the time ruler will extend all the way back to measure 1:0:0
It's a really annoying 'feature' of the application that it does this. Makes selection a PITA. Cakewalk need to fix this issue IMO.
I bet you 50p that it you only lasso select clips up to 'row 2' then CTRL-select the final 'row 1' clips, this won't happen.
As for the first issue, if the edit filter isn't set to clips, then what's in the track view isn't clips, so I don't understand what you think you're trying to select..?? How do you think you can select clips on tracks that aren't set to show clips?
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 05:22:43
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For the second issue, very often if you lasso-select a bunch of clips, or clips and folders, which include one or more on the very top 'row' (i.e. the uppermost track) then the selection marker in the time ruler will extend all the way back to measure 1:0:0
It's a really annoying 'feature' of the application that it does this. Makes selection a PITA. Cakewalk need to fix this issue IMO.
I bet you 50p that it you only lasso select clips up to 'row 2' then CTRL-select the final 'row 1' clips, this won't happen.
I can see the time range being selected beyond the lasso range, I can think of several reasons for that but the clips within that range aren't being selected which was the OP's complaint (I think) ston
As for the first issue, if the edit filter isn't set to clips, then what's in the track view isn't clips, so I don't understand what you think you're trying to select..?? How do you think you can select clips on tracks that aren't set to show clips?
The OP is referring to using Ctrl+A which does select everything (or does for me at least) and as the OP states should do. Using lasso or other selection methods will obey the edit filter.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 05:32:29
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I can see the time range being selected beyond the lasso range, I can think of several reasons for that but the clips within that range aren't being selected which was the OP's complaint (I think)
Ah yeah, it's the clip on the top row. I'm more familiar with the issue of the time range being beyond the range of the clips which are lasso-selected. I note that it's a clip on the top row, which is always where the problems seem to occur in my experience. I wonder if this is a genuine selection error, or just a graphical one?
The OP is referring to using Ctrl+A which does select everything (or does for me at least) and as the OP states should do. Using lasso or other selection methods will obey the edit filter.
I've not tried CTRL-A tbh (I very rarely have any cause to select everything in a project), but I do know that there's no way to select the clip using the mouse when the edit filter is e.g. set to notes. Does CTRL-A select all clips and also all notes/automation nodes when used when multiple edit filters are set? Are notes in a clip selected whose track is set to automation? I'm confused as to how 'everything' can be selected.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 07:14:08
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Ctrl A does just that, selects everything. In X2 (I think) it was changed so that if the PRV is the active view and Ctrl+A is pressed it only selects all in that view. Previously it used to select everything in the project in the same way as it now works in the TV.
You're correct about the edit filter which is the whole point of it and for me very welcome. I was forever moving clips while trying to move nodes or envelopes.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 08:55:05
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I'll have to give it a try this evening... :-)
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 09:58:23
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Not blaming anyone for blaming the user, except Cakewalk that has a tendency to mark usability defects as "as intended". Given the PITA that is the external defect reporting system, it makes the hassle of reporting bugs in general really not worth it.
I'll try to repro the CTRL+A thing again this weekend. Maybe I missed something.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 11:40:53
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Yevster, I'm curious... in the video you posted it looks like a region going back along the timeline is being selected when you dragged up to the top of that first clip, but the clips on the left (in that earlier region) still have their non-selected color. Are you saying that if you were to move at that exact moment, those clips on the left would move as well?
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 17:09:41
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Yep. I should have added it to the video. I'll take another one when I get a chance.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 18:07:09
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OK, then that is really weird! I can't say I've come across non-selected clips (at least based on selection color) moving or otherwise being modified.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 18:29:46
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I often lasso select clips, and some of them don't looks selected, but when I move them, the ones that don't look selected do indeed still move.
This is definitely annoying and buggy.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/18 19:07:29
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I wonder what's different that causes some systems to have this symptom and others to not. Odd.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 02:07:18
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For the second issue, very often if you lasso-select a bunch of clips, or clips and folders, which include one or more on the very top 'row' (i.e. the uppermost track) then the selection marker in the time ruler will extend all the way back to measure 1:0:0
It's a really annoying 'feature' of the application that it does this. Makes selection a PITA. Cakewalk need to fix this issue IMO.
I bet you 50p that it you only lasso select clips up to 'row 2' then CTRL-select the final 'row 1' clips, this won't happen.
I can see the time range being selected beyond the lasso range, I can think of several reasons for that but the clips within that range aren't being selected which was the OP's complaint (I think)
hey karl, i'm not sure i can think of any of the reasons that would happen. can you give me an example or two?
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 02:38:38
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When I say several I probably mean two.  MIDI notes included of any great length, previously selected material elsewhere. Point is though the earlier clips aren't being selected (as far as I can see). It's very difficult to see exactly what is happening in what I'm assuming is a GIF. TBH I think I'm more concerned by the fact that the very top clip doesn't appear to be selected despite being touched by the lasso.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 08:42:54
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> I'll have to give it a try this evening... :-)
Well, I did do that. I created 3x MIDI tracks each with some clips containing MIDI notes and some with automation data. I set one to 'Clips', one to 'Notes' and the third to 'Automation'. Using CTRL-A I was able to select and move everything.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 08:59:42
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I've had the CTRL A thing yevster describes (in X3 too). I agree that it makes no sense. "Select All" really should mean "everything", clips and automation. It obeying the filter for lasso select makes sense, I think, but an ambiguous "Select Some" keystroke is a pretty odd thing.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 09:05:22
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Actually, thinking about it, I think it might (in my case) have something to do with doing a select all, and then modifying the selection length using the "from now - to now" functions. I dunno, I should check this properly before waffling on about it.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 09:26:39
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I'm not sure its "by design" but I get a region selected using Ctrl+A rather than the whole project length if I've previously had a region selected. I usually Ctrl+Shift+A and then Ctrl+A which seems to fix any region issue. It's been like that so long that it's automatic and I've never even really thought of it as a bug, just the way it works - although it could be I guess.
I definitely don't have issues with the edit filter though. If I ctrl +A it includes all clips regardless of track edit filter settings.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 11:47:10
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Thanks karl. Btw i think that topmost item you are referring to isn't a clip but a data indicator block that gets put in a TV folder.
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Re: CTRL+A doesn't select clips on tracks where automation is selected in the data picker
2013/10/19 12:01:27
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Thanks karl. Btw i think that topmost item you are referring to isn't a clip but a data indicator block that gets put in a TV folder.
Ah...... thanks. that would explain it, and goes to show how hard it is to see what's going on from a screenshot.
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