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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/03 05:05:12
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This is a program bug (stack overrun), and can't be resolved by user action such as deleting aud.ini. We'll have to be patient and wait for a fix. I'm sure somebody is furiously working on it this morning.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/03 15:47:09
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I've started getting consistent crashes in 2016.09 today for no apparent reason. Don't think there's been any changes to my laptop recently. Both opening existing projects and creating a new project from my template. I then updated to 2016.11, reinstalled my quad capture driver, rebooted ... same result. My computer is always connected to the internet. VST scan seems to take longer than usual. How is everyone uninstalling the vsts? Using windows, or does ca2a have its own uninstaller?
Were you getting the same run time error R6025 - pure virtual function call? Did you try the safe mode and determine if it was caused by CA-2A or LP-64 EQ? Do you have a way of reverting back to 2016.09? Yesterday I uninstalled CA-2A with Control Panel and reinstalled it with Command Center and then it stopped crashing.
OK, this is kind of weird. I opened a project in safe mode, didn't load any instance of CA-2A and the project opened fine. Playback was OK, didn't try recording. Then to see if it really was CA-2A, I closed the project and reopened it normally. Still fine. Then I restarted Sonar and opened the project normally. Still OK! So at the moment (fingers crossed) I seem to be functional -- on 2016.11. Whereas yesterday I could not open a project or create a new one! I see in another thread, Craig was speculating on Windows updates that aren't fully applied until a few more reboots. Maybe that's it, but I haven't seen any notifications or "restart required". Although who knows, maybe W10 doesn't always tell you when it's updating? Hoping my current stability will last. Thanks for your input.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/03 17:07:34
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/03 17:51:46
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Aren't run time errors typically due to .NET Framework ?
Have you tried downloading it directly from Microsoft
https://www.microsoft.com/net/download/framework
That link is not for Win 10 versions. Win 10 comes with Net Framework 4.5. Won't the Win updates take care of that automatically?
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 07:46:26
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bitflipper
This is a program bug (stack overrun), and can't be resolved by user action such as deleting aud.ini. We'll have to be patient and wait for a fix. I'm sure somebody is furiously working on it this morning.
that'll be a hard one to eliminate as it appears to be failry random I have 2 machines with different hardware but identical DAW installation and win10 update level. One works fine with CA-2A, the other crashes the first time I insert CA-2A revised (see below)
post edited by Rob[at]Sound-Rehab - 2016/12/05 09:23:32
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 08:07:56
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Aren't run time errors typically due to .NET Framework ?
Have you tried downloading it directly from Microsoft
https://www.microsoft.com/net/download/framework
That link is not for Win 10 versions. Win 10 comes with Net Framework 4.5. Won't the Win updates take care of that automatically?
Check what you have installed. this one is 4.6.1 theoretically it should, but I've had problems were updates didn't install properly. they function but have corrupt files. If the updates worked perfect there wouldn't be a separate download Here is Windows 10 4.6.1: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49981
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 08:19:46
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chuckebabyIf the updates worked perfect there wouldn't be a separate download
Here is Windows 10 4.6.1:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49981
separate installer downloads are made available for the huge swathe of enterprise PCs not using standard windows update, for example i regularly have to download standalone installers/updates for servers due to firewall restrictions, etc hth
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 10:06:36
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I have 2 machines with different hardware but identical DAW installation and win10 update level. One works fine with CA-2A, the other crashes the first time I insert CA-2A
Are you running the same or different sound and display drivers?
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 10:08:47
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fwiw, i'm having no issues in another daw with the vst3 version of ca-2a
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 10:17:20
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that'll be a hard one to eliminate as it appears to be failry random
I have 2 machines with different hardware but identical DAW installation and win10 update level. One works fine with CA-2A, the other crashes the first time I insert CA-2A
For me it's consistent and repeatable. But it only happens the first time I run SONAR after a reboot. After the first crash, it's fine. Do you still see a difference between your 2 machines if you reboot both before making the comparison?
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 10:42:38
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bitflipper
This is a program bug (stack overrun), and can't be resolved by user action such as deleting aud.ini. We'll have to be patient and wait for a fix. I'm sure somebody is furiously working on it this morning.
that'll be a hard one to eliminate as it appears to be failry random
I have 2 machines with different hardware but identical DAW installation and win10 update level. One works fine with CA-2A, the other crashes the first time I insert CA-2A
sounds like a driver issue then, is that the only difference?
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 10:43:50
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fwiw, i'm having no issues in another daw with the vst3 version of ca-2a eta, this was a quick test with asio4all driving the onboard realtek
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 10:54:51
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chuckebabyIf the updates worked perfect there wouldn't be a separate download
Here is Windows 10 4.6.1:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49981
separate installer downloads are made available for the huge swathe of enterprise PCs not using standard windows update, for example i regularly have to download standalone installers/updates for servers due to firewall restrictions, etc
hth
im simply just trying to help here. I have no crashes with CA2A on my system. So I could care less. I am looking for a possible solution and not trying to debate..what enterprises don't use Windows update. I do know one thing. Runtime errors have everything to do with .NET Framework. what's it going to hurt ? So with that said, im out. gave a possible solution. im not 100% sure it will even work.. Its probably a bug in Sonar. but im not seeing it. so there's a debate. Possibly im using Windows 8.1 ? I don't know. there's another debate.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 11:55:34
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Since the last two updates I've both vst scan issues and instances of crashes when trying to instantiate vsts...mostly waves. Hope they get this fixed asap.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/04 12:47:33
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 09:24:59
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Rob[atSound-Rehab]
that'll be a hard one to eliminate as it appears to be fairly random
I have 2 machines with different hardware but identical DAW installation and win10 update level. One works fine with CA-2A, the other crashes the first time I insert CA-2A
For me it's consistent and repeatable. But it only happens the first time I run SONAR after a reboot. After the first crash, it's fine.
Do you still see a difference between your 2 machines if you reboot both before making the comparison?
Bit, you were right. if I reboot each machine, I do get a crash on each one, just like in your case " But it only happens the first time I run SONAR after a reboot. After the first crash, it's fine."
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 11:02:52
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Rob[atSound-Rehab]
that'll be a hard one to eliminate as it appears to be fairly random
I have 2 machines with different hardware but identical DAW installation and win10 update level. One works fine with CA-2A, the other crashes the first time I insert CA-2A
For me it's consistent and repeatable. But it only happens the first time I run SONAR after a reboot. After the first crash, it's fine.
Do you still see a difference between your 2 machines if you reboot both before making the comparison?
Bit,
you were right. if I reboot each machine, I do get a crash on each one, just like in your case "But it only happens the first time I run SONAR after a reboot. After the first crash, it's fine."
this sounds like it could be some service that hasn't started up? then the first run/crash starts the service, so it behaves after that... just a thought
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 11:05:51
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so now I made the mistake to do a full VST scan on the machines with 2016.11 and it crashes/stops in several Cakewalk VST2s and VST3s (Rapture Pro, CA-2A, Z3TA) but not in any 3rd party!
worst of all, rollback to 2016.09 does not change this. so how secure is the rollback procedure again?
when VST scan is executed a 2nd time it seems to get thru - so this appears to be a similar issue to the 1st time one of these cakewalk plugins is instantiated after a reboot, it crashes. 2nd time around it seems to work.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 11:21:58
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worst of all, rollback to 2016.09 does not change this. so how secure is the rollback procedure again?
does rollback also rollback the shared stuff? certainly the old, pre-monthly update system never used to, for example, if i had x3, and installed platinum demo, then uninstalled platinum demo, it would leave behind things like the vst scanner, shared stuff... noel even suggested that this was a way to get updated on the shared stuff without having to buy the whole kaboodle (sp?)
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 12:29:33
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I am pretty sure that is accurate. Additionally, registry entries added will also remain. The best method to "rollback" is a system restore prior to installation. These days restore points prior to installations is good practice for any software.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 12:57:55
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I am pretty sure that is accurate. Additionally, registry entries added will also remain. The best method to "rollback" is a system restore prior to installation. These days restore points prior to installations is good practice for any software.
unfortunately that seems to be the case - which makes the entire Sonar rollback functionality less relevant
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 13:13:41
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mettelus
I am pretty sure that is accurate. Additionally, registry entries added will also remain. The best method to "rollback" is a system restore prior to installation. These days restore points prior to installations is good practice for any software.
unfortunately that seems to be the case - which makes the entire Sonar rollback functionality less relevant
This is why I use image files of my C drive, so I know I've really rolled back to a previous state. Sometimes even system restore doesn't work right. Very strangely in this case even when I revert back to a previous image, I'm still getting this runtime error, making me believe there must be an internet database involved, either Cakewalk or MS
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 13:14:31
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mettelus
I am pretty sure that is accurate. Additionally, registry entries added will also remain. The best method to "rollback" is a system restore prior to installation. These days restore points prior to installations is good practice for any software.
unfortunately that seems to be the case - which makes the entire Sonar rollback functionality less relevant
it would be useful for cake to clarify what gets rolled back, and what not
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 16:31:59
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Copy here :
I can exactly point the moment this problem occured .
I Installed Sonnar X3 on a fresh laptop only 1month ago.It has only X3 and audacity on it, no extra VST's
Last week W10 had a big install, after this install I opened Sonar and had it crashed on a project I have been working on every day of the week before.
So my best guess ; it is a W10 issue.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 16:49:07
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Copy here :
I can exactly point the moment this problem occured .
I Installed Sonnar X3 on a fresh laptop only 1month ago.It has only X3 and audacity on it, no extra VST's
Last week W10 had a big install, after this install I opened Sonar and had it crashed on a project I have been working on every day of the week before.
So my best guess ; it is a W10 issue.
I have auto updates turned off, so even though this cropped up for me last week also it had nothing to do with updates. In fact even if I revert back to my 10/23/16 image file, I now have the problem with that also. I definitely did not have this problem with that image in OCT. In fact I did some extensive testing with several different image files and none of them have this problem as long as I am disconnected to the internet. And the problem shows up about 30 min after I connect to the internet. This has got to be the strangest bug I've ever experienced
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 18:06:04
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UPDATE after some systematic troubleshooting today.
1. I can open a project with a CA2A in it ONLY if I;
> uninstall it (Control Panel | Programs & Features > Uninstall CA2A)
> delete all registry keys
> reinstall it using the CCC.
This works only as long as the PC is NOT restarted.
2. -EVERY- time I restart the PC, CA2A will crash the program on project load.
- Actually inserting CA2A, LP 64 EQ or MB, or RaptureSession in any project will also crash SONAR, but I only use the CA2A.
- All of the noted CW VSTs would cause VST Scan to hang or stop working.
3. The comments about being able to ignore the "Runtime Error!" flags or it's only the first instance and all is fine afterwards do not work for me. Most likely because the Roland drivers seem to require a reboot after a crash.
4. I was able to get VST Scan to run smoother be making sure SONARPLT.exe was set to "Run as Admin". I know to do this but it appears to have been reset as a result of a Win10 or SONAR update (will look into that).
Thx to abacab for the reminder, but it did not solve the problem with the CW VSTs.
5. My Win10 updates are set to "deferred" which means I schedule them when I have time to address any potential issues, but the system is up to date as of a week ago before the problems with the CW VSTs.
6. Only other activities I can recall are the Melodyne 4 Studio update to 4.1 and possible a Pace Ilok update.
7. Even though I was able to open a client project after the uninstall/del/reinstall, I'm noting the CPU cores are much less balanced and the #1 core is spiking. They have been remarkably well behaved up til now.
8. The test project has a single audio track and a single master bus with only the PC EQ and one instance of the CA2A. Could hardly be simpler.
9. Still thinking it must be some core system issue as the rollback did NOT solve the problem. And per gmp, System Restore did not work either. That's more than a bit unsettling, looking for some help from CW at this point.
10. Problem report filed as CWBRN-61566.
The other reports in the log are the result of the Problem Reporter flaking out and dumping as I was trying to enter the steps to reproduce the problem. I will add messages and further updates to this one only.
I'm done for now until Wed, will be looking for something else to try. Limping along, but losing confidence.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 19:24:01
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Having same problems here.I think it has something to with windows 10 updates and or Microsoft Visual C++. appears I got 2 updates Dec 1 and Dec 4... restore points automatically created, right after I did Melodyne update, After testing today I found that the following plugins are crashing Platinum when loading existing projects that contain them: CA-2A, LP64 LP64 Multiband and Rapture...there may be more. If I try to load plugin I get runtime error. I'm wondering if I should try to do system restore prior to Dec 1st...
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 19:45:28
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Don't have time for further testing until Thur, but that's worth a try.
Becoming more curious as to why it seems to be -only- certain Cakewalk VSTs. Everything else in use (UAD, BFD, NI, TH3) is working fine.
Please let us know if you try this and if it helped.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 20:52:56
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I just tried system restore prior to visual c++ updates and same behaviors as before. Before I updated sonar and again after... same behaviors. Thought I had a clue what caused this..it is funny that only certain vst's and one synth are affected.
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Re: CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan issues?
2016/12/05 21:07:06
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Noting they are all Cakewalk VSTs though. I haven't noted any issues with any 3rd party VSTs (UAD, NI, Fxpansion, Nomad Factory, Melda, Overloud, etc.)
Working through a couple of projects due on Wed and also wondering why my CPU core balancing now appears to be all wacky. Or considerably "less evenly balanced" than before.
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